Arrested for feeding homeless people

[brimic]

Aren't we the ones who are always saying that people should be charged with a crime if they commit one and not for some manufactured precursor to maybe committing one?

Oh I definately agree.
OTOH, if the people involved tried doing the same thing that they did out of a privately owned building, they would have been shut down for health code violations.

[roo_ster]

For a chain BBQ, you can start and finish here.... http://www.coltersbbq.com/locations/locations.htm ....and it's worth the drive.....

Disappointed.

I thought you knew someplace I was overlooking in the area.  Colters is nothing to write home about, no better than Dickies, and less convenient.

[seeker_two]

Disappointed.

I thought you knew someplace I was overlooking in the area.  Colters is nothing to write home about, no better than Dickies, and less convenient.

Again, Coulters is good for chain BBQ....you gotta explore & find the hidey-hole places to get the good stuff....a good BBQ joint and a good crack house will look a lot alike....but the BBQ place will smell better and have a bigger crowd.... 

[roo_ster]

Again, Coulters is good for chain BBQ....you gotta explore & find the hidey-hole places to get the good stuff....a good BBQ joint and a good crack house will look a lot alike....but the BBQ place will smell better and have a bigger crowd.... 

Here, you can feel my pain.  Formerly Vern's, best soul food & BBQ in Dallas:
http://goo.gl/maps/M0n7
http://goo.gl/maps/ndZb

Old review:

Vern's has the type of soul food that will "make you sl*p your mama"!

<sob, sniffle>

[longeyes]

This is about one thing: getting permission.  From the "authorities."   Unfortunately, it's part of a pattern that has come to define American life.  If you don't have a permit, a license, a writ, you are a "criminal."  Imagine America in ten years.  Which one of us will not be a felon?

[dogmush]

This is about one thing: getting permission.  From the "authorities."   Unfortunately, it's part of a pattern that has come to define American life.  If you don't have a permit, a license, a writ, you are a "criminal."  Imagine America in ten years.  Which one of us will not be a felon?

Of course they need permission.  It's not [soley] their land. Given that the land belongs in some sense to the voters, shouldn't they have a say in how it's used?

Lemme tell you this: If you were to come up and start feeding homeless on my front lawn without my permission, a ticket would be the least of your worries.

[kgbsquirrel]

Of course they need permission.  It's not [soley] their land. Given that the land belongs in some sense to the voters, shouldn't they have a say in how it's used?

No. Resoundingly NO! And it is for the example you listed that the constitution has been so liberally laced with various phrases such as "shall not be infringed." You may not like a message, or a particular act, and neither are you required to like, or even to remain present and witness such messages and acts, but you are never allowed, either singly, or as a group democratically, to deny another citizen their rights.


With that stated, I've been mulling over this particular story because I find several of my principles and thoughts at odds but I think I've managed to come to a conclusion that resolves them to each other. The first is that it is both unlawful, constitutionally, and immoral for the City to pass an ordnance prohibiting the feeding of those who are otherwise starving or undernourished. The second however is that the constitution does not allow you to cause harm to another person through intentional acts or negligence. As my personal take on liberty states, personal liberty ends only when one causes physical or financial harm to another person. If these people were doing such things as pulling discarded food out of dumpsters and not maintaining appropriate cleanliness and hygiene standards in the preparation of the food, then that is where they should have been hit by the City.

[zxcvbob]

Way to go, Squirrel.



I've been biting my lip (especially after Dogmush's last post) waiting for someone else to "get it".  The park is public property.  The majority doesn't get to decide to throw the minority out (at least when the park is open) because they smell bad.  If the freegans are creating a public health hazard, go after them for that, but they don't need a permit (which the city says it won't give them anyway) to use the park for its intended purpose -- to have a picnic.

[gunsmith]

yup, as much as I dislike them for nearly assaulting me & yelling "pig" at me in the erroneous assumption I was LE, & for gleaning their history from comic books
 ( I kid you not ) - they have certain rights, A restaurant I used to work for would give away unsold food at the end of the night, perhaps they could try negotiation with the city to provide some way to enable restaurants/groceries to donate food they have to get rid of in a day or two & have health inspectors look at their facilities, maybe engage a Church kitchen.

If they did all that though, it wouldn't be as fun as snubbing society, being leftwing anarchist, and smoking weed while they cook & dumsterdive ( & not washing their hands because, you know. societies  rules are like all wrong man,you know?! )

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

No. Resoundingly NO! And it is for the example you listed that the constitution has been so liberally laced with various phrases such as "shall not be infringed." You may not like a message, or a particular act, and neither are you required to like, or even to remain present and witness such messages and acts, but you are never allowed, either singly, or as a group democratically, to deny another citizen their rights.


With that stated, I've been mulling over this particular story because I find several of my principles and thoughts at odds but I think I've managed to come to a conclusion that resolves them to each other. The first is that it is both unlawful, constitutionally, and immoral for the City to pass an ordnance prohibiting the feeding of those who are otherwise starving or undernourished. The second however is that the constitution does not allow you to cause harm to another person through intentional acts or negligence. As my personal take on liberty states, personal liberty ends only when one causes physical or financial harm to another person. If these people were doing such things as pulling discarded food out of dumpsters and not maintaining appropriate cleanliness and hygiene standards in the preparation of the food, then that is where they should have been hit by the City.

 

not saying you can't feed em  just can't feed em there.  and predictably the activist react with tantrum.

you familiar with mitch snyder? or he before your time?

[kgbsquirrel]

not saying you can't feed em  just can't feed em there.  and predictably the activist react with tantrum.

you familiar with mitch snyder? or he before your time?

not saying you can't walk  just can't walk there.

not saying you can't protest  just can't protest there.

not saying you can't pray  just can't pray there.

not saying you can't own guns  just can't own guns there.

not saying you can't have a jury  just can't have a jury there.

not saying you can't live free  just can't live free there.


you familiar with the Constitution? or is it before your time?

[MicroBalrog]

Is it, or is it not, a public park? Would this person be free to hold a Neo-Nazi rally in that park, under the 1st amendment, a la Skokie vs. Illinois?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Is it, or is it not, a public park? Would this person be free to hold a Neo-Nazi rally in that park, under the 1st amendment, a la Skokie vs. Illinois?

with a permit sure

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

not saying you can't walk  just can't walk there.

not saying you can't protest  just can't protest there.

not saying you can't pray  just can't pray there.

not saying you can't own guns  just can't own guns there.

not saying you can't have a jury  just can't have a jury there.

not saying you can't live free  just can't live free there.


you familiar with the Constitution? or is it before your time?

does that mean yes you never heard of mitch snyder?  patron saint of the homeless?  i couldn't tell?

[kgbsquirrel]

does that mean yes you never heard of mitch snyder?  patron saint of the homeless?  i couldn't tell?

That means you shouldn't be apologizing for policies that trample constitutional rights, but I suppose that was a wasted effort as you have roundly declared your stance to be for only partial liberty as graciously granted by the State to it's subjects.

[makattak]

not saying you can't walk  just can't walk there.

not saying you can't protest  just can't protest there.

not saying you can't pray  just can't pray there.

not saying you can't own guns  just can't own guns there.

not saying you can't have a jury  just can't have a jury there.

not saying you can't live free  just can't live free there.


you familiar with the Constitution? or is it before your time?

There are plenty of places I am not allowed to walk. Is it an infringement of my rights that I can't just take a stroll through a government sponsored nuclear plant anytime I wish?

There are plenty of places I can't protest. If I go into congress and begin shouting in protest and get escorted out by the capital police, is that an infringement of my rights?

If I go into the middle of a courtroom and begin loudly praying (because I don't think you can ban silent prayer and you'd REALLY be stretching to try to make that connection), do you think it's an infringement of my rights when the judge holds me in contempt and the baliff escorts me to jail?

Owning guns, a private action that implies nothing off my own property and a jury trial and you're comparing that to saying you create a public nuisance by feeding homeless people? Wow. I'm sure I don't want to live in your "utopia".

If there were on private property, I'd be agreeing with you that the government has no role. It isn't, though. I suppose the "no skateboarding" signs in public parks where small children play are a tyranny as well, huh?

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

I suppose the "no skateboarding" signs in public parks where small children play are a tyranny as well, huh?

They're a great way to make sure childhood obesity remains a fixture. "Go outside, kids! Just don't run, or skate, or skateboard..." 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

if you aren't willing to run from the cops you don't deserve the joy of skate boarding

[MicroBalrog]

There are plenty of places I am not allowed to walk. Is it an infringement of my rights that I can't just take a stroll through a government sponsored nuclear plant anytime I wish?

Comparing nuclear plants to city parks is why we cannot have nice things.

[kgbsquirrel]

...

http://tinyurl.com/75l4l

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

worst thing about a warm climate?  the homeless stay  in a cold place the fly south fot the winter.  or at least some do

[MicroBalrog]

worst thing about a warm climate?  the homeless stay  in a cold place the fly south fot the winter.  or at least some do

Oh the terror.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

how about you?  you familiar with mitch snyder?  his tactics and what they meant to dc?

[MicroBalrog]

how about you?  you familiar with mitch snyder?  his tactics and what they meant to dc?

Pray tell us all about it.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

saint mitch went out for milk and never came back.  he abandoned his wife and 2 young sons to care for the homeless.  he was a great tactician and cared lil about anything but results.  his tactic worked with what passes for government in dc.  he orchestrated busing in hundreds of new york city homeless folks for one of his big protests he did not bus them home.  he ironically helped to overload the system. i was on the street for a while during his heyday and got to see the ccnv style.  was not good for anyone. he was a tuff nut to figure i think he was a bit off and really lived for the attention. when that faded he did the world a favor and hung himself.  and ccnv stopped being a pain in the tail