More liberal foolishness that will damage kids

[Monkeyleg]

I sure hope this isn't coming soon to schools here in the US. A government-funded Swedish school is attempting to break down gender roles through a variety of means, so that kids don't identify with being male or female. I can only imagine how screwed up these kids are going to be in just 12-14 years.

Does it ever occur to these "social engineers" that there are genders for a reason, and that "gender roles" that come naturally do so for a reason?

I love this:

"Society expects girls to be girlie, nice and pretty and boys to be manly, rough and outgoing," says Jenny Johnsson, a 31-year-old teacher. "Egalia gives them a fantastic opportunity to be whoever they want to be."

Yeah, Ms. Johnsson. After you get through with these kids, some may want to be Charles Manson.

The rest of the story is here.

[grislyatoms]

I read about this today and bit my tongue. I knew this would appear here, sooner or later.

"It", "that one", "the one that is not this" "not me nor my sex" as opposed to the personal pronouns "he" or "she"? Oh, yeah, that's a great idea.    De-humanizes EVERYONE.  Are we all going to start speaking in 3rd person now?

"This one does not like that one. That one attracts me, yet that one rejects my advances." Poor thing. Let's get you into further counseling with "these ones" so you become even more *expletive deleted*ed up and anti-social.

Idiots.



 

[Monkeyleg]

When I was a kid, one of my close friends (I still communicate with him) had as a father a teacher, and his mother was a school psychologist. She was always trying the latest technique de jour in child behavior.

I remember my friend hitting his younger brother. As punishment, the mother told my friend to walk down to the end of the hall and back.

Now, I was maybe 12 years old at this time, but I distinctly remember thinking the woman was off her rocker. Later on I also decided that her kids would likely be screwed up.

Well, their kids were/are all screwed up. She should have bent my friend over her knee and whacked his behind a few times. That's what my dad did.

This Swedish school is just a continuation of that sort of social experimentation on children.

[MicroBalrog]

Well, their kids were/are all screwed up. She should have bent my friend over her knee and whacked his behind a few times. That's what my dad did.

I know at least one upstanding family where children are literally never spanked. And amazingly their children turned out completely okay as adults, becoming professionals/businessmen etc. Plural of anecdote =/= data.

[Lanius]

"It", "that one", "the one that is not this" "not me nor my sex" as opposed to the personal pronouns "he" or "she"? Oh, yeah, that's a great idea.    De-humanizes EVERYONE.  Are we all going to start speaking in 3rd person now?

So what? No, you can invent another neutral pronoun for person. Some has been suggested, the one I like is 've', 'ver', 'vis'. No real need for them, as they're no genderless people, but that may change in fifty or sixty years, or if someone invents an AI worthy of vis name. Funny that that one is the best of the ones suggested so far, but's only been used in certain hard-sf books..

Can't say what Egalia is doing has any point.  What schools need to figure out is that it makes no sense to group kids according to age.
Should be according to ability, and institute corporal punishments for bullying.

BTW, Finnish language doesn' specify gender in personal pronouns. The only difference I know of is, that Finnish children become aware of their gender later than children whose native language has gender specific pronouns. And that Finns have a fine national tradition of gloominess and boorishness..

[cambeul41]

On the otherhand, I do not care for some of the societally prescribed sex roles. (As a grammar Nazi, I prefer to reserve the word "gender" for grammar.) As my daughters were growing up, I had to continualy reassure them that, yes, girls could persue any activity they chose.  Yes, they could play with trucks or dolls as they chose.Yes, girls could be martial artists. Yes, they can be doctors or engineers or LEOs -- or nurses or mommies or teachers.  The chioce was theirs, not society's.

As to languages, I do not recall that Swahili has sex/gender specific pronouns, but I do recall hearing that Swahili society is quite sexist none-the-less.

[roo_ster]

More dumbassery from leftists who think human nature can be molded to suit their desires.

[BReilley]

On the otherhand, I do not care for some of the societally prescribed sex roles. (As a grammar Nazi, I prefer to reserve the word "gender" for grammar.) As my daughters were growing up, I had to continualy reassure them that, yes, girls could persue any activity they chose.  Yes, they could play with trucks or dolls as they chose.Yes, girls could be martial artists. Yes, they can be doctors or engineers or LEOs -- or nurses or mommies or teachers.  The chioce was theirs, not society's.

With respect, I find a great deal of difference between a woman who wants to be a police officer and a man who wants to be a woman.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Gender is physical.

Gender Roles are sociatial creations.

The determination of these people to confuse the issue is just retarded.

A person is a person, a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl.

There is nothing wrong with making most Gender Roles obsolete, but how the hell these people plan on doing away with actual physical gender is beyond me.

[Boomhauer]

There is nothing wrong with making most Gender Roles obsolete, but how the hell these people plan on doing away with actual physical gender is beyond me.

Apparently the idiots plan to wish it away.

[Ned Hamford]

The determination of these people to confuse the issue is just retarded.

I had a pair of profs in college who fit this... In the 'Gender Studies' course, I was barred from using science as a critique.  The number of times some absurd 'science' article was used... I might as well have just had a buzzer that said ceteris paribus fallacy.

My favorite/most memorable were a series that attacked the notion of gender roles by examining some islanders whose home was absurdly irradiated by nuclear testing and whose majority of offspring had both male and female genitals... sometimes more than one each.  I think I may have lost my composure a bit that day and pointed out the absurdity of the assertions made about our own 'natural dispositions' by comparing us with Nightmare Island.

Id like to give a thumbs up to BReilley: With respect, I find a great deal of difference between a woman who wants to be a police officer and a man who wants to be a woman.
-Really makes me wish we had a like button.

My gf is best friends with a homosexual fellow who honestly asserts and believes the transgendered are the greatest american heroes of our day.... We don't get along very well.  Great cook tho.

[makattak]

Id like to give a thumbs up to BReilley: With respect, I find a great deal of difference between a woman who wants to be a police officer and a man who wants to be a woman.

I find a great deal of difference too. Unless we have to lower standards for police (firemen, soldiers, etc...) such that the woman is capable of passing the requisite physical demands.

[dogmush]

I find a great deal of difference too. Unless we have to lower standards for police (firemen, soldiers, etc...) such that the woman is capable of passing the requisite physical demands.

[cough] US military [/cough]

[Monkeyleg]

...a homosexual fellow who honestly asserts and believes the transgendered are the greatest american heroes of our day...

Do any of the soldiers serving in Iraq or Afghanistan even enter into his thinking?

[gunsmith]

this is an interesting article along the same lines.
http://www.christianaction.org.za/firearmnews/2003-3_Boyswillbeboys.htm

Basically, human nature determined that boys/men needed to hunt/protect & girls/women needed to gather/nurture. (imo)

Minimizing genetic coding and being in denial about evolution can cause great harm to the psyche of developing boys and girls.

Boys are told playing with toy guns/knives is wrong and violent yet as soon as the pc adults back is turned they go right back to doing it...Because that's how we learn that its ok and moral to fight back against threats from everything like bullies to saber tooth lions

These folks are not much different than the obscene pseudo science eugenics folks that gave us National Socialism/genocide.

Girls are forced to accept pc dogma when they really do want to play with a doll and serve tea and boys are punished for being imaginary heroes and slaying the evil enemy & this makes them feel as if their natural inclinations are wrong and they grow up thinking they are bad people.

Why cant radlibs just let kids be kids? I think the answer is they were mistreated as kids & instead of examining the roots of their own unfortunate rearing they inflict even worse on others because its an easier way of dealing with it.
They would rather drag everyone else down rather then lift themselves up.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Gunsmith, I think you have a rather absurd version of what little girls can, will, and want to do.
I'm starting to feel that this gender war is really just attempting to force little boys to behave like what little girls are supposed too.

The problem is no one (not even the girls) want to behave like that.

[Balog]

Gunsmith, I think you have a rather absurd version of what little girls can, will, and want to do.
I'm starting to feel that this gender war is really just attempting to force little boys to behave like what little girls are supposed too.

The problem is no one (not even the girls) want to behave like that.

You've never met a little girl who wanted to serve tea and play with dolls? I do agree with your point that the war on gender is an assault on masculinity.

[MechAg94]

My mother used to do "tea parties" with my neices when they were little.  She has a big set of little miniature porcelain tea cups and such.  I don't know if they wanted to "serve tea", but they all seemed to enjoy playing the "Proper Lady" role for a few hours.  My mother had 3 boys so no daughters to do that stuff with.  My brothers and I certainly didn't want to.

When I was in high school, it seemed to me the main ones telling girls what they could and couldn't do were the female teachers.  Talking with the "popular" girls about how hard math was (English teacher) and stuff like that.  

[MechAg94]

It seems to me that best way to accomplish the goals these liberals want to accomplish would be to separate the girls and boys in separate classes and teach them in the way that best suits their natures.  None of them ever want to do that though.

[MechAg94]

As an adder, the idea of being told I couldn't accomplish something when I was a kid was the quickest way to get me to try it.  Maybe that was just my male competitiveness.  I don't know.  Growing up, my parents were always pushing us to do whatever we wanted (as long as it was better than what my Dad did). 

[makattak]

It seems to me that best way to accomplish the goals these liberals want to accomplish would be to separate the girls and boys in separate classes and teach them in the way that best suits their natures.  None of them ever want to do that though.

That's UNFAIR! The boys will compete amongst themselves and get a better education as the smarter ones challenge each other. As a result, the girls will miss out on that challenging environment!

Of course, when the boys and girls are together, we need to shut the boys up because they are disruptive and need to learn to just sit quietly and not compete against other students. Competition is bad.

[MechAg94]

That's UNFAIR! The boys will compete amongst themselves and get a better education as the smarter ones challenge each other. As a result, the girls will miss out on that challenging environment!

Of course, when the boys and girls are together, we need to shut the boys up because they are disruptive and need to learn to just sit quietly and not compete against other students. Competition is bad.

Sarcasm understood I think, but girls and boys respond to different teaching styles and structures from what I have heard.  I think the girls would benefit from it as much as the boys.

[makattak]

Sarcasm understood I think, but girls and boys respond to different teaching styles and structures from what I have heard.  I think the girls would benefit from it as much as the boys.

Actually, not sarcasm: satire. But yes, I wasn't serious, and yes, both sexes would benefit from being taught separately.

[Tallpine]

When our girls were little, you could give them a toy dumptruck and they would wrap it in a blanket and cuddle it.   

[Ned Hamford]

I think its all bell curves, and that majority and statistics be damned, we should treat people like individuals.  Countless times I've seen the preaching to the middle approach, folks on either side don't respond to it, and then the middle doesn't either because they are left out.