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NYT article on China's debt issues
« on: July 08, 2011, 01:17:14 AM »
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/business/global/building-binge-by-chinas-cities-threatens-countrys-economic-boom.xml

Gave the mobile link, I'm not sure what the regular is. But it's perfectly readable as is.

Basically, China is in even worse shape than I'd thought. When they crash it is not going to be pretty, for anyone.
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 03:33:50 AM »
Link is not working for me.

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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 07:34:27 AM »
If/When the PRC crashes do they have the option of calling the U.S.'s debt that they own due, or is there a restriction to prevent that? (Such as only redeemable after X years.)

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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 10:02:17 AM »
If/When the PRC crashes do they have the option of calling the U.S.'s debt that they own due, or is there a restriction to prevent that? (Such as only redeemable after X years.)

Depends on the debt instrument.

T-bills/bonds usually have a maturity date at which time they are redeemed. It is not like a mortgage, usually.

What they can do is sell those bills/bonds on the bond market.  What usually happens to the price of something if a glut of supply gets dropped on the market?  SO, yeah, the vlaue of al lthe t-bonds will plummet for everyone who holds them.  Some proportion will surely sell ASAP.  But, many will hold on to them as the most secure investment vehicle on Earth.

One result will be for many pension funds to become under-funded, as many are heavily invested in t-bonds.  There will be other consequences.
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 10:55:17 AM »
Link is not working for me.

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Just checked it, works for me. Anyone else having issues?
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 10:57:47 AM »
Just checked it, works for me. Anyone else having issues?

Yeah. me.  It only brings up a small error box and one of those much hated windows computer sounds that signals something went south ..... :facepalm: :mad:
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 11:00:43 AM »
Are you using explorer? When I try it on IE there's an issue.
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2011, 11:01:53 AM »
Yeah...I have no alternate now though.
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2011, 11:58:02 AM »
Yeah...I have no alternate now though.

You just may have an alternative:
http://portableapps.com/
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2011, 02:07:50 PM »
I've run across several articles like this over the last few months.  Each of them has had a fair amount of supporting data. I think China has a serious problem.
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Re: NYT article on China's debt issues
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2011, 03:01:40 PM »
I've run across several articles like this over the last few months.  Each of them has had a fair amount of supporting data. I think China has a serious problem.

No surprise. China has the double whammy of having aspects of both unfettered robber-baron capitalism, and communist command economy to fudge the books and sweep unpleasant realities under the rug, and engage in vast amounts of what can only be described as "economic theater". Such as those huge empty ghost cities full of sky scrapers and apartments. And the possibilities they'll never see a return on the potentially flawed Three Gorges Dam. 

The idea that in the long run China will "own us" is as laughable as the worries Japan would back in the 80's and 90's.

Not to mention the resource and population problems they have. Severe infrastructure problems in the rural periphery. Looming ecological disasters equivalent to the American Dust bowl, and sex-selective abortion and infanticide creating a male female disparity that may be as big as 40 million "excess" males, and growing, by some estimates...

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