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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2011, 02:07:59 PM »
But it means, at the least, that they will use the most abhorrent, vile acts to promote their cause and/or gain support whether they had anything to do with the execution of that act at all.  That it's the terrorist's version of stolen valor says a lot about what they consider to be valorous behavior.

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Wannabe terrorists are not good people? WOW.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #126 on: July 26, 2011, 02:15:18 PM »
Wannabe terrorists are not good people? WOW.

Yeah, I know.  I was as shocked as you are.   :lol:

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #127 on: July 26, 2011, 02:58:11 PM »
Funnily, the police have spoken, and they seemed to regard it as silly, seeing the laws as strict enough already. Oh, and some assclown from one of the hunting orgs spoketh, and wondered why 30 round mags are sold for Mini-14s, when they aren't legal to hunt with. Idiot with no clue, considering we do have IPSC or what the hell it's called here. But noooo, *expletive deleted*ing assclown fudd...right now I could easily ban everything, just to mind *expletive deleted*ck her  and take her bolt action rifles and break open shotguns, just for the sheer hell of it. Bitch.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #128 on: July 26, 2011, 03:43:28 PM »
It's funny how all of those euros who posted in the comment section could not conceive of any possible role for a firearm other than hunting. I guess not everybody is lucky enough to be born in a country born of violent revolution against an oppressive government... but you'd think that the collective memory of the horrors an over-powerful government can inflict on a disarmed population would be even fresher in their minds than here in the States. 
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #130 on: July 26, 2011, 05:25:16 PM »
Way to stay classy Glen Beck. Start denigrating dead children before their buried.  [barf]
You think someone with that amount of exposure would be a bit more tactful.

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #131 on: July 26, 2011, 10:46:06 PM »
how is that attacking the kids? ???

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #132 on: July 27, 2011, 09:24:06 AM »
It's notable that the actual threat of terrorism - in terms of the specific number of terrorist attacks in Europe is on the decline:

Proof

Only 3 (as in three) terorrist attacks had been carried out by Muslims in Europe last year, as opposed to 246 by everybody else.
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« Reply #133 on: July 27, 2011, 09:35:33 AM »
It's notable that left-wing organizations in Europe carried out 43 terrorist attacks last year.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #134 on: July 27, 2011, 12:04:08 PM »
Whether the flag is red or green the thrust is the same: totalitarianism.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #135 on: July 27, 2011, 01:15:39 PM »
Rough times in prison ahead for the murderer:

http://www.slate.com/id/2300098/?gt1=38001

A few examples of the horrific conditions he'll be expected to endure during his (maximum) of 21 years in prison:

Look how small this flat screen TV is!! Barbarism!



Why can't trips to quality rock climbing spots be arranged for these inmates? Sickening.


How can a human be expected to survive in a private bathroom that small? What kind of torture facility are they running here?!


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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #136 on: July 27, 2011, 05:09:23 PM »
Oslo & Hollywood:

"The Dexter Factor
We all know that the mainstream media have a double standard when it comes to political ideology. If you are a conservative — or even worse, a nationalist — you are held to a different standard than that applied to progressives and socialists. Those are just the rules of the game, and it’s been that way for a long time.

The double standard was glaringly revealed when the reading preferences of the man who confessed to committing last week’s atrocities in Norway were revealed. Anyone holding the wrong political opinions — especially “Islamophobic” ones — was held indirectly responsible for the murder of all those innocent people. None of those so implicated had ever supported or advocated violence, yet their writings were deemed to be an “inspiration” for the killer.

Many thanks to our Washington correspondent Frontinus for discovering an example of the other side of this double standard: a television program which the Oslo murderer loved, and which glorified a depraved serial killer. The same program has already inspired other successful murderers — so where is the liberal outrage?

The silence is deafening.



Norway Mass Murder: The Dexter Factor
by Frontinus

The appalling killing in Norway, and its purported justification via a 1500 page “compendium” by the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik under the pseudonym “Andrew Berwick,” has let loose a remarkably well-coordinated campaign against any intellectuals who have opposed Islamisation or jihadists in Europe, a campaign pursued with meticulous precision by the New York Times, the leftwing blogs and the European press, executed against political leaders (Wilders, Merkel, Cameron, Sarkozy et al), against authors of books and opeds and essays, against human rights activists, anyone who has written or acted against violent jihad or the imposition of the violent doctrines of Shariah in western nations.



But no one is talking about the Dexter Factor, which is this: “Andrew Berwick” liked the Dexter cable series about a ruthless and completely deceptive serial killer.

A ruthless and completely deceptive killer, a narrator detailing his murderous plans, proud of his clever ability to escape detection.



“Andrew Berwick” didn’t just watch Dexter, he found it “hilarious.” He wrote: “I am currently watching Dexter, the series about that forensic mass murderer. Quite hilarious. I’m also looking forward to watch the new movie-series about Carlos the Jackal (the Marxist-Islamist and Che wannabe scumbag).” He mentioned Dexter a second time in a list of other television programs he likes, a fanboy mixing explosives chatting about his viewing habits.

The Dexter series is about a forensic analyst for the Miami Police Department, on the surface a mild-mannered and psychopathically deceptive lab technician, secretly a serial killer. A brutal, methodical, self-justifying serial killer. The Dexter series is dedicated to glamorizing serial killing, with a focus on the mechanics of execution. A show explicitly and unashamedly glamorizing evil, justifying evil, and training in the specific operations of evil. With, of course, the occasional post-modern ironic, self-referential moment of doubt, to make it all a bit more socially acceptable.

Without shame. Without abhorrence.

No shaming for Dexter’s author, directors, actors, producers, advertisers. No shaming for them for being cited in “Berwick’s” compendium, no stern demands for censorship from the New York Times or the always trendy European media.

There are several glaring discrepancies in media coverage of the heartbreaking and enraging attack in Norway, but this one is obvious: this mass murderer “Andrew Berwick,” aka “Anders Behring Breivik” was a fan of a show about a serial killer that is widely reported to have been watched by, and said to have inspired, other murderers.

Of course, why would the media ever report on that? It is, to use that always useful phrase, “an inconvenient truth.”

Some background: Dexter is based on a series of novels by Jeff Lindsay with titles like “Dexter is Delicious” and “Dearly Devoted Dexter.” It airs on the cable network Showtime and in 2008, edited reruns began running on CBS. The actor Michael C. Hall plays the main character. Producers over the years have included Daniel Cerone, Clyde Phillips, Melissa Rosenberg, Clyde Phillips and Chip Johannessen. It’s received a lot of awards and presumably earned many people lots and lots of money. Nihilistic brutality and a “how-to” on escaping detection turns out to be a winning and lucrative programming formula.

But there have been costs to all that success — borne tragically and criminally by others. Dexter had been associated with at least three other murders before it was cited by fan and mass murderer “Andrew Berwick.”

Dexter Factor Murder #1: In 2008, Johnny Brian Altinger, 38, was reported missing October 10th. On October 31st Mark Andrew Twitchell, 29, was charged with first-degree murder. You can read the details of the crime here, where CBC News reported that:

Anstey said they were led to the garage because Altinger had e-mailed a friend the directions where he was told to go, and the friend kept that e-mail.

On his Facebook page, Twitchell is revealed to be a huge fan of the Showtime program Dexter, which follows the exploits of Dexter Morgan, a blood-spatter expert for the Miami police who also leads a secret life as a serial killer.

“We have a lot of information to suggest he definitely idolizes Dexter,” Anstey said.

Anstey also alleged the police have evidence that Twitchell tried to emulate the character.

Dexter Factor Murder #2: In December 2009, 17 year old Andrew Conley confessed to murdering his 10 year old brother Conner Conley. You can read the details of the crime here. Local news station WLWT reported:

Prosecutors said Conley admitted to police that he’d fantasized about killing someone since he was in eighth grade, and compared himself to a fictional serial killer on a cable television series.

“Andrew stated that he watches a show called ‘Dexter’ on Showtime, about a serial killer,” prosecutors said in an affidavit. “He stated, ‘I feel just like him.’“

You can read the affidavit here [pdf].

Dexter Factor Murder #3: In April, 2011, Maartens van der Merwe, 24, and Chané van Heerden, 20, were arrested in Welkom, South Africa, in connection with the death of 24-year-old Michael van Eck. You can read the details of the crime here as reported in the local Afrikaans paper Nuus 24, in google translation:

Several people close to the couple has any connection to organized Satanism denies and instead focused on a history of psychological problems and a fantasy world where the two lived.

The couple loved the bloodthirsty TV series Dexter and the Van Zyl family says the couple’s relationship was a mirror image of a deadly, deadly partnership in the latest season of the TV series. …

In their world was the character Dexter Morgan and Pierce Lumen of the TV series Dexter.

Maartens van der Merwe and van Heerden Chané loved the series about a forensic bloeddeskundige which is actually a serial killer and include opkap corpses.

They met Dexter and Lumen in real life and on Facebook called.

The newly engaged couple have five season of Dexter regularly Van der Merwe’s PC views.

It develops the story in a macabre partnership between Dexter and Lumen which then begins with murder.

They are attracted to each other due to the “dark passengers” or dark side of their personality that they recognize and nurture each other.

And it’s disturbing similar to what Van Heerden and Van der Merwe had happened, said Dusty van Zyl, a close friend.

Is it free speech for Dexter’s producers to create television programming that reportedly inspires murderers — including being cited by “Andrew Berwick” before he committed a mass murder? Absolutely.

Is it hypocritical of publications across Europe — and America — to accuse those whose writings are against violence, of influencing Berwick/Breivik, while saying nothing about his enthusiasm for a program reported to have influenced at least three other murderers?

Absolutely.

Actually, I’m just curious. If asked by someone in the media or law enforcement about the Norway mass murderer’s enthusiasm for their show — what will Showtime, CBS, Daniel Cerone, Clyde Phillips, Melissa Rosenberg, Clyde Phillips, Chip Johannessen and Michael C. Hall say? That they are not responsible for being watched and cited in a madman’s ranting?

But then, if they are not responsible — if this trendy brutal show’s producers and writers are not responsible for influencing Breivik — then why are the media holding responsible these other political leaders, writers, human rights activists and journalists worldwide who oppose brutality rather than making a buck off it?

That’s the question posed by the Dexter Factor."

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #137 on: July 27, 2011, 05:52:18 PM »
It's notable that left-wing organizations in Europe carried out 43 terrorist attacks last year.

That number is a lot lower than it should be - the likely nationalist / separatist groups that it refers to (ETA in Spain, RIRA in NI etc) are socialist as well, at least in terms of the political viewpoints they profess to hold in order to justify their attacks.  In fact (though most will know this already) the vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe since 1945 have been from left-wing groups. 
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #138 on: July 27, 2011, 07:18:08 PM »
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how is that attacking the kids?

He Goodwined the camp the kids went to. He said "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler Youth, or whatever."

Comparing a bunch of kids who where just murdered to the Hitler Youth is beyond tasteless, it just shows what an enormous ass he is. Which is also hypocritical if the article is true furthur down it states that an organization that Beck helped found (9/12) organizes it's own political camps for kids. Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

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You know a 100% of people murdered by gunfire are killed by a GUN!!! Only .0001% of people who watch Dexter have killed someone.

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #139 on: July 27, 2011, 07:46:26 PM »
He Goodwined the camp the kids went to. He said "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler Youth, or whatever."

Comparing a bunch of kids who where just murdered to the Hitler Youth is beyond tasteless, it just shows what an enormous ass he is. Which is also hypocritical if the article is true furthur down it states that an organization that Beck helped found (9/12) organizes it's own political camps for kids. Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

RE: Dexter
You know a 100% of people murdered by gunfire are killed by a GUN!!! Only .0001% of people who watch Dexter have killed someone.
    All that I see here ( in this thread ) is a newspaper saying Beck said something, often with Glenn Beck and newspapers, things are taken out of context & fabricated-I am not going to believe anything until I hear the whole show.

& seeterman, that would be "Godwin" not Goodwind.  

Frankly I'm tired of the Godwin rule-probably imposed by some fascist lefty anyway.

As is pointing out that some ones policy is the same as the national socialist german workers party is a bad thing?
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #140 on: July 27, 2011, 07:47:07 PM »
it seems as if the Norwegian nut case was intent on putting poison in the bullets if google is to be believed, he also had exploding bulltets! I saw it on google, no link on where to buy these bullets though ... darn
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #141 on: July 28, 2011, 03:15:05 AM »
So go listen to it gunsmith. I have. Direct quote - "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing." Of course, as pointed out above, 9/12 does camps for young kids, and the Norwegian victims were all 14+, with most survivors that I've seen interviewed in the university age bracket. Most political parties that I'm aware of in the West have youth organisations.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #142 on: July 28, 2011, 06:47:49 AM »
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You know a 100% of people murdered by gunfire are killed by a PERSON with a GUN!!!

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #143 on: July 28, 2011, 01:22:44 PM »
number one, when you say the hitler youts were bad(mmmmmmkay) you are saying the problem was the kids? that says something about you, might want to rethink it. [tinfoil] not like they had any choice in the matter, it was show up, or. well that was it. =|

as in this case, the kids aren't running a camp. that's the adults, and there is something wrong with them, then and now.

and if you think 9/12 is about politics, you got some reading to do. :facepalm:

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #144 on: July 28, 2011, 01:39:57 PM »
sanglant: political youth organizations are an entirely normal part of political life pretty much everywhere in the world.
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« Reply #145 on: July 28, 2011, 02:12:37 PM »
=( guess it's just something we don't see in the US. yeah there's the school system's programs, and a few marginal groups, but nowhere near the size and time the kids seemed to be in this camp. =|

over here, you get religions and nonprofits doing camps. but politics just isn't a part of it. and if someone starts in with the crap, they tell them to leave.

anything political seems to be shorter, and the kid's parents are normally there, or at least involved.

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« Reply #146 on: July 28, 2011, 04:25:39 PM »
sanglant: political youth organizations are an entirely normal part of political life...

And entirely creepy.  =|
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« Reply #147 on: July 28, 2011, 04:29:28 PM »
And entirely creepy.  =|


You must have a very long list of things you find creepy in life.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #148 on: July 28, 2011, 06:42:48 PM »
So go listen to it gunsmith. I have. Direct quote - "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing." Of course, as pointed out above, 9/12 does camps for young kids, and the Norwegian victims were all 14+, with most survivors that I've seen interviewed in the university age bracket. Most political parties that I'm aware of in the West have youth organisations.

I would listen to the whole show, plus the previous ten shows ( or more ) to get context. You shouldn't judge Beck by an isolated quote
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #149 on: July 28, 2011, 06:56:18 PM »
=( guess it's just something we don't see in the US. yeah there's the school system's programs, and a few marginal groups, but nowhere near the size and time the kids seemed to be in this camp.

Both the Young Republicans and the Young Democrats run summer camps and retreats.  And MANY youth camps have strong political overtones.

My Parents sent me to Trailside Discovery Camp in the late 80's and early '90's and it had pretty dang heavy political overtones.  I'm sure there's many more that I don't happen to have personal experience in.  And that's not counting all the various student government programs that have summer camps.  Or High School JROTC summer programs.  It's actually pretty common for parents to send their children to camps that are at least sympathetic to the parent's politics.