Out of control cop threatens Ohio CCWL

[41magsnub]

I like how the cops in that forum totally gloss over officer friendly yelling at the woman and threatening to put lumps on her before the problem with the CCW carrier started.  In my, admittedly not a cop, AAR there is nothing positive to say about that encounter at any point in the video on the part of the cops.

[Hawkmoon]

Yes, but after that other officers corrected that statement. I think most of the posts reflect well on them.

I disagree.

FAR too many "We have to look out for each other" statements for my taste. Far too many who seem willing to give him a pass because he might have been having an off night.

Sheesh, Officers. The bloody idjit threatened to KILL a citizen. That there is against the law, Mates.

[Perd Hapley]

Sheesh, Officers. The bloody idjit threatened to KILL a citizen.

And not casually, either. When you repeat the threat, and use words like "execute"...

[roo_ster]

I disagree.

FAR too many "We have to look out for each other" statements for my taste. Far too many who seem willing to give him a pass because he might have been having an off night.

Sheesh, Officers. The bloody idjit threatened to KILL a citizen. That there is against the law, Mates.

Hey, can't YOU make death threats at YOUR work when your Old Lady is on the rag or Junior persists in eating chalk?

And expect your co-workers to cover it up and lie for you after the fact.

[makattak]

Hey, can't YOU make death threats at YOUR work when your Old Lady is on the rag or Junior persists in eating chalk?

And expect your co-workers to cover it up and lie for you after the fact.

Of course I couldn't. That's not approved behavior. Afterwards, I'd get a stern talking to, several days paid time off, and a promise for more training afterwards....

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Hey, can't YOU make death threats at YOUR work when your Old Lady is on the rag or Junior persists in eating chalk?

And expect your co-workers to cover it up and lie for you after the fact.

work as a chef  if you're any good you can

[roo_ster]

work as a chef  if you're any good you can

Oh, I bet they can get away with verbal abuse, but I was thinking more along the lines of, "Can also follow through and likely get away with it."

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

does throwing a 10 inch chefs knife and sticking it in the wall count?
one place i worked the day sos did 15 at lorton for manslaughter before getting hired.  the exec sous killed 3 guys that we know of  all 3 legit when taken individually in toto they got him asked to leave one country.  we had a restarant shef throw his sous across the room he went and got a cop had him locked up but the hotel made him a deal and he dropped charges

[vaskidmark]

does throwing a 10 inch chefs knife and sticking it in the wall count?
one place i worked the day sos did 15 at lorton for manslaughter before getting hired.  the exec sous killed 3 guys that we know of  all 3 legit when taken individually in toto they got him asked to leave one country.  we had a restarant shef throw his sous across the room he went and got a cop had him locked up but the hotel made him a deal and he dropped charges

Very limited experience in the kitchens, and a long time ago at that.  But this was pretty much typical.  Flying knives and pots/pans were pretty much mere indicators of temporary displeasure over someone's lack of or poor performance at a task they had previously shown competence if not actual brilliance in executing.

On the other hand, this all takes place behind (pretty much) closed doors where the dining floor does not get to see what is happening and hear every word uttered, let alone play it over and over again on YouTube.  And if the house can hold together a decent crew, get product out with minimum waste, and finish the day with a profit in the till and customers promising to come back there are not going to be many repercussions over "family squabbles".  OTOH, cops do all of their work in public and on camera.  There must be a reason why.

stay safe.

[KD5NRH]

Flying knives and pots/pans were pretty much mere indicators of temporary displeasure over someone's lack of or poor performance at a task they had previously shown competence if not actual brilliance in executing.

IME, it's also commonly used to keep anyone from getting a word in edgewise to let the chef know that his carefully prepared recipe still tastes like crap.  That's why the portions are so damn small; nobody can choke down any more of it while pretending they like it.

[Jamisjockey]

If the sous chefs would stop picking up hookers....there'd be no need for flying knives....

[Doggy Daddy]

If the sous chefs would stop picking up hookers....there'd be no need for flying knives....

The snark is heavy with this one.

(NICE line, JJ!)


DD

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

If the sous chefs would stop picking up hookers....there'd be no need for flying knives....

heck the extra money for the entertainment fund was the only good reason to be sous, that and the waitresses

[41magsnub]

Remember officer friendly?

http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20131105/NEWS/131109669/1001/NEWS?rssfeed=true#ixzz2jp1Lrs3Q

He is cut loose from the PD with a $40,000 check, a neutral employment recommendation, and retired LE credentials.

[Tallpine]

Remember officer friendly?

http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20131105/NEWS/131109669/1001/NEWS?rssfeed=true#ixzz2jp1Lrs3Q

He is cut loose from the PD with a $40,000 check, a neutral employment recommendation, and retired LE credentials.

cordex will be along soon to tell us what a horrible punishment this is and how the system "worked"

[geronimotwo]

an arbitrator ruled the city did not have sufficient grounds to fire Harless and that he should be reinstated if cleared by medical professionals.

   

[RoadKingLarry]

And yet another killdozer inspiring event.

[Scout26]

cordex will be along soon to tell us what a horrible punishment this is and how the system "worked"

I thought it was C&SD that would explain that it would have been a good shoot had Officer Friendly followed through with his threat(s).  (Apparently he also previously threatened to shoot two other CCW holders.)

[Balog]

Hey now, I think cordex is severely wrong on cops and all but he's never fully descended to the CSD "bitch had it coming" depths of character assassination and etc.

[cordex]

cordex will be along soon to tell us what a horrible punishment this is and how the system "worked"

Um, no ...

There's a considerable difference between being able to see another side to things and offering mindless support or opposition, friend.  Here on APS there is a pretty strong anti-cop bias and presumption of police guilt based entirely on media reports that in other circumstances we wouldn't trust to get the name of the state right, much less the details of a situation.  In some cases (like this one) those cops are guilty as sin.  In others, they aren't and we're hearing a pack of lies ginned up by a defense lawyer and their pet journalist.  In all cases there's more to the story than we're hearing.

That said, this guy was by all appearances an unstable lunatic who liked to threaten violence - and may well have been capable of it, and his coworkers wrongfully covered for him in the past.  He certainly didn't deserve a deal as favorable as he got.

I thought it was C&SD that would explain that it would have been a good shoot had Officer Friendly followed through with his threat(s).  (Apparently he also previously threatened to shoot two other CCW holders.)

I'm not sure that the previous two events involved CCW holders, but yeah, it wasn't his first rodeo.  I'm sure Tallpine meant me, though.  When I was a youth I was every bit as anti-LEO as the majority here on APS, but as I've gotten a little more experience with actual police I've sort of grown out of some of that mindless reactionism and learned a little bit about the other side of the story.  For some members, anything short of universal condemnation of cops is equivalent to uncritical support of police, which kind of goes to show you how skewed their view is.

[Balog]

 

Maybe someday you can outgrow the petty condescension and world weary disdain for those too ignorant and hateful to agree with you.

[Gewehr98]

Here on APS there is a pretty strong anti-cop bias and presumption of police guilt based entirely on media reports that in other circumstances we wouldn't trust to get the name of the state right, much less the details of a situation.

Re-stated for truth.  I feel bad for APS members who are either LEOs or former LEOs.  I doubt LawDog would dare to venture here, even when invited...

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Great article that just happened across today. Apt.

And I believe it's 100% accurate. There is a reason for the distrust of cops. And cops should look in the mirror for who to blame.

[RevDisk]

I'm not sure that the previous two events involved CCW holders, but yeah, it wasn't his first rodeo.  I'm sure Tallpine meant me, though.  When I was a youth I was every bit as anti-LEO as the majority here on APS, but as I've gotten a little more experience with actual police I've sort of grown out of some of that mindless reactionism and learned a little bit about the other side of the story.  For some members, anything short of universal condemnation of cops is equivalent to uncritical support of police, which kind of goes to show you how skewed their view is.

Credit should always be given where it is due. Good or bad.

My local cops? Nothing but respect. They went to bat over some yahoo trying to and failing to steal my car stereo. They could have shrugged and given me a report number for insurance. I've had plenty of good, if often humorous, interaction with federal law enforcement. Mostly positive there as well. But I also believe certain occupations should be held to a higher standard. Any occupations where a person can use lethal force on behalf of government authority deserves scrutiny.

Now, I'm the first to admit, folks often nitpick where they don't need to. Off color or gallow humor is a necessary stress reliever. Had CNN or al Jazerra had a recording of some of the harmless antics I or others have pulled, I'd probably be swinging from a rope because too many folks don't have a sense of humor. If no non-govt person is intentionally hurt or deprived of their civil rights, there SHOULD be more wiggle room. Everyone does deserve the benefit of a doubt, and due process. But no one should be above the law, and never blatantly above the law.

Even if this guy didn't break the law by threatening to injure or kill folks, which he clearly did, he's clearly unfit for duty for psychological reasons. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Maybe someday you can outgrow the petty condescension and world weary disdain for those too ignorant and hateful to agree with you.

Recognizing it is the first step . Good for you!


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