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ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« on: August 08, 2011, 02:51:36 PM »
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/204949/8/Victim-shoots-robbery-suspect-in-Applebees-parking-lot

Some guy named Raven shoots a mugger with a .25acp, 5cent bet the mugger was armed with a phoenix raven .25acp
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2011, 03:04:02 PM »
Quote from: gunsmith on August 08, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Some guy named Raven shoots a mugger with a .25acp, 5cent bet the mugger was armed with a phoenix raven .25acp

No; they specifically said it was operational.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 03:08:37 PM »
Well....while I can't argue that the .25ACP didn't stop the attack, I'm convinced that I'll be carrying something more substantial when I get my CHL.....

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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2011, 03:11:43 PM »
The robber had the .25 ACP, the caliber the CCW guy had is not mentioned.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2011, 03:59:18 PM »
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Police say Hauser will be charged with two counts of attempted armed robbery.


He should be charged with attempted murder, IMHO. 
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 05:04:35 PM »
Yep.  I sat in the jury of a murder trial that was done with a 25 ACP. 
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2011, 05:06:15 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 08, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Yep.  I sat in the jury of a murder trial that was done with a 25 ACP. 

How many times did he hit him over the head with the gun?
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 05:43:35 PM »
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How many times did he hit him over the head with the gun?

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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2011, 05:48:19 PM »
I like this story from Tampa better.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/article/204222/58/Police-Carjacking-suspect-blames-Batman-movie

Chumley tries to jack a car. The driver is a police officer that just happens to be looking for Chumley, to arrest him for assault. Chumley chose poorly.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2011, 05:55:16 PM »
Quote from: fistful on August 08, 2011, 05:48:19 PM
Chumley tries to jack a car. The driver is a police officer that just happens to be looking for Chumley, to arrest him for assault. Chumley chose poorly.

 ??? 



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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2011, 06:11:57 PM »
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2011, 06:18:47 PM »
Hint: Chumley is not that pawnbroker's real name.  =)
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2011, 08:39:28 PM »
Quote from: fistful on August 08, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
Hint: Chumley is not that pawnbroker's real name.  =)

yup, but that's what the call him.

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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 08:49:29 PM »
I've been called that before, but I sure it must have been for TOTALLY different reasons.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2011, 09:06:11 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 08, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Yep.  I sat in the jury of a murder trial that was done with a 25 ACP. 

Actually I say it because his actions forced the CHL holder to shoot him, thus attempting murder on him.  Since it was his criminal actions that caused it, he should be charged with attempted murder.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2011, 05:34:41 AM »
Quote from: JamisJockey on August 08, 2011, 09:06:11 PM
Actually I say it because his actions forced the CHL holder to shoot him, thus attempting murder on him.  Since it was his criminal actions that caused it, he should be charged with attempted murder.

They could charge him with that couldn't they, I know Florida sometimes charges the criminal with murder if the co conspirator gets killed
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2011, 09:37:12 AM »
Quote from: JamisJockey on August 08, 2011, 09:06:11 PM
Actually I say it because his actions forced the CHL holder to shoot him, thus attempting murder on him.  Since it was his criminal actions that caused it, he should be charged with attempted murder.

I don't like the idea of calling self defense a form of murder.  Attempted or otherwise.  Heaven forbid I ever fire on anyone, but if I do, I will be doing it to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing, not because I want them to die.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2011, 09:58:50 AM »
Quote from: CNYCacher on August 09, 2011, 09:37:12 AM
I don't like the idea of calling self defense a form of murder.  Attempted or otherwise.  Heaven forbid I ever fire on anyone, but if I do, I will be doing it to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing, not because I want them to die.

No, no....Jamis means that the crook should be charged with attempted murder because the threat he made on the CCW's life justified the CCW to shoot the crook....and I agree with Jamis on this....
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2011, 10:24:22 AM »
Quote from: CNYCacher on August 09, 2011, 09:37:12 AM
I don't like the idea of calling self defense a form of murder.  Attempted or otherwise.  Heaven forbid I ever fire on anyone, but if I do, I will be doing it to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing, not because I want them to die.

You attempt to kill someone when you shoot them, no matter how noble the motive. It is lethal force, afterall.  Charging the criminal with the totality of the outcome of his crime seems only fitting. 
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2011, 03:57:55 PM »
Quote from: KD5NRH on August 08, 2011, 03:04:02 PM
No; they specifically said it was operational.

My first gun was a .25acp Phoenix Raven, it was a sweet little gun I wish I had never sold. As long as it was properly lubed it always ran smooth.

I'm now considering one of those little Beretta .25acp pocket rockets-all I need is some dough of course.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2011, 04:01:52 PM »
Quote from: gunsmith on August 09, 2011, 03:57:55 PM
My first gun was a .25acp Phoenix Raven, it was a sweet little gun I wish I had never sold. As long as it was properly lubed it always ran smooth.

I'm now considering one of those little Beretta .25acp pocket rockets-all I need is some dough of course.

I'd go up to at least the Kel-Tec P32. It's no bigger, and is almost into "real" caliber territory. Well, Europe actually sort of considered it a service caliber for a long time.

Plus Monkeyleg has lasers for them too.  :angel:
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2011, 04:33:07 PM »
the bobcats are more fun then most people think. [popcorn] and the triggers can be made VERY short and light. =D
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2011, 05:35:51 PM »
Quote from: gunsmith on August 09, 2011, 05:34:41 AM
I know Florida sometimes charges the criminal with murder if the co conspirator gets killed

I'm no legal expert, but I've only heard of that sort of thing in cases where someone else's death was blamed on an accomplice. If a person were charged with the attempted murder of themselves, that might be more consistent with laws against attempted suicide, which I thought some states had.  ???

Some of us might agree with that more than others.
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2011, 06:23:32 PM »
Quote from: AJ Dual on August 09, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
I'd go up to at least the Kel-Tec P32. It's no bigger, and is almost into "real" caliber territory. Well, Europe actually sort of considered it a service caliber for a long time.

Plus Monkeyleg has lasers for them too.  :angel:

well, that's a great idea! thanks!
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Re: ccw versus masked bandit with .25acp
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2011, 07:46:59 PM »
Quote from: AJ Dual on August 09, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
I'd go up to at least the Kel-Tec P32. It's no bigger, and is almost into "real" caliber territory. Well, Europe actually sort of considered it a service caliber for a long time.

Plus Monkeyleg has lasers for them too.  :angel:

Yeah but pistols are more a badge of office in Europe than an actual useful item.
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