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Gas in a diesel jerry can
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:52:12 PM »
Stupid 'effing EPA....

Got that out of the way.

Okay, I ordered a couple of used pre-stupid effing EPA ban, sorry..  there I go again...  Sceptre defense 5 gal plastic jerry cans from a guy in ebay for a price I'll just call "lower sellers market" to supplement my stash.  There are some laughable prices out there.  I have one brand new one and the donkey di...  *ahem* pour spout for it.

Small problem, the cans...  sold to me as having been used only for gasoline have a distinct odor of diesel in them.  I know for a fact the can itself is the same for gas or diesel, they sell models that come in the various NATO dictated colors or the OD Green ones like these that you are supposed to mark yourself.  I do not own a single diesel engine.  There is no liquid diesel in the cans at all, just the odor and residue.  Do I need to wash these things out (and if so how..  put in a little gas and rinse?) or should I just say screw it and fill up with gas?

If you want a laugh and then a cry go look these cans up on evil-bay....  for a brand new one some folks are asking $200!
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 09:59:22 PM »
A tiny amount of diesel residue shouldn't hurt anything. Not anymore then what crankcase oil gets past the rings and burned up.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 09:59:56 PM »
No liquid?

Just fill with gas.  You'll be fine.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 10:01:05 PM »
Yep. Fill 'em up.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 10:04:12 PM »
Cool, figured as much.  Thanks guys!
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 10:29:20 PM »
Putting gas in a a can that once held diesel?

Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

Either that or nothing at all.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 01:17:14 AM »
As it turns out there is a small difference between the cans for gas and diesel.  The gasket is different, if I leave the cans full of gas on their side or something the gasket for diesel will actually expand and can crack the cap of the can.  That would be bad because parts of these cans are purely the secondary market or "smuggled in" from Canada.  One of these days I need to do a road trip anyway.  Hard core smuggler with the EPA banned gas cans!   =D

I just ordered a few gaskets and a couple of spares.  What I ordered are made out of viton instead of the OEM kind that should hold up a lot better.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 08:35:54 AM »
OK.

Since I've managed to get all my cans from military surplus, what is this EPA ban of which you speak?
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 09:52:25 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on September 24, 2011, 08:35:54 AM
OK.

Since I've managed to get all my cans from military surplus, what is this EPA ban of which you speak?

Just pop the cap off and pour gas cans are not sold any more in the US.  You have to have a "safe" dispensing mechanism.

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If you look at the products page of Blitz, you will see that the old pop the cap off and pour containers are for international orders only. http://www.blitzusa.com/fuelcanda.htm
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 10:40:50 AM »
The other awesome part of it is the plastic fuel cans available for new purchase are all the cheap home depot special thin wall type.  Nobody is selling the really thick military spec style kind even with the godawful CARB compliant features that has don't work for crap.

Blitz still makes a CARB compliant metal can, but it gets fairly universally terrible reviews due to the CARB stuff and badly sealed metal seams.

Edit:  I have one of those "enviroflospout" cans for the lawn mower.  It SUCKS!  It takes 3 hands, 1 to hold the can, 1 to keep the spout where I want it, and another to work the child safety switch thing.

I think we should get somebody to sponsor some legislation that if the civilians can't buy a normal gas can, then neither can the government and military!
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2011, 10:45:15 AM »
Neither do the oil companies make those really nice five gallon metal cans with spouts, that they used to sell stuff like hydraulic oil in.   =(

I had one of those for years (free from a guy that I worked for) that I used for chainsaw mix.  It finally rusted out or something...
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 11:54:07 AM »
i am always prowling yard sales for jerry cans
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 03:08:39 PM »
No *expletive deleted*it?

Huh, look at what I missed.  I have like 10 or 15 5 gal cans that have been retired from .gov service lying around. Guess I'll have to safeguard them more then I have been.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2011, 03:48:49 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on September 24, 2011, 03:08:39 PM
No *expletive deleted*?

Huh, look at what I missed.  I have like 10 or 15 5 gal cans that have been retired from .gov service lying around. Guess I'll have to safeguard them more then I have been.

Seriously, go look those up on ebay.   =|

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scepter-Military-Fuel-Gas-Can-MFC-20L-5Gal-Olive-Drab-/130577151401?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e670135a9

The above is one of the obscene examples...  mine were used and were much less expensive.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2011, 03:50:28 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on September 24, 2011, 03:08:39 PM
No *expletive deleted*?

Huh, look at what I missed.  I have like 10 or 15 5 gal cans that have been retired from .gov service lying around. Guess I'll have to safeguard them more then I have been.

Indeed yes.

I recently rescued an almost perfectly good 5-gallon Eagle brand gas can from the dumpster at the local transfer station. It was supposed to have a flip-top plastic vent, which was missing. A mechanic (sorry -- "etcnician") friend of mine opped one out of an old oil drain pan, and it worked fine. I had a spare nozzle, so I'm good to go and very happy -- I loathe plastic gas "cans."

Are the old style (non-"safety") cans, or replacement parts, still available in canada? If so, I may have to commission some parts.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2011, 09:22:34 PM »
Quote from: 41magsnub on September 24, 2011, 01:17:14 AM
I just ordered a few gaskets and a couple of spares.  What I ordered are made out of viton instead of the OEM kind that should hold up a lot better.

Just use styrofoam; it stays nice and soft around gasoline   >:D
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2011, 10:00:50 PM »
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2011, 10:52:57 PM »
I drove my M715 in a parade today and decided I wanted to add a little gas before I left the house. I had a 5 gallon jug of fresh non-ethanol on hand. After about 10 seconds of futzing with the EPA nozzle I just unscrewed the lid and dumped it in the filler neck. The filler neck opening on the M715 is better than 3" ID.
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Re: Gas in a diesel jerry can
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2011, 10:39:14 AM »
And then there are funnels  ;)
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