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Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« on: November 05, 2011, 09:09:01 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/ventura-miffed-court-says-hes-off-mexico-174718110.html

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Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura is so upset by the dismissal of his airport security lawsuit that he threatened Friday to apply for dual citizenship so he can spend more time in his beloved Mexico — or run for president of what he labeled "the Fascist States of America."

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The former Navy SEAL said he had lost his patriotism.

"I will never stand for a national anthem again. I will turn my back and I will raise a fist," he said.

Yes....I know he's a nut job....but I wonder just how many others are feeling this way about the FedGov now....  =|
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 09:40:56 AM »
I have never been to Mexico, so I didn't realize it was the bastion of liberty and freedom.  Is it really all that better there?
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 10:07:16 AM »
I have never been to Mexico, so I didn't realize it was the bastion of liberty and freedom.  Is it really all that better there?

With enough money.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 10:42:18 AM »
With enough money.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 12:58:45 PM »
I have never been to Mexico, so I didn't realize it was the bastion of liberty and freedom.  Is it really all that better there?

You don't have to get searched to ride one of those overcrowded stock trucks that they call busses  =D
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 02:35:36 PM »
Well.................bye!
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 02:55:19 PM »
I have never been to Mexico, so I didn't realize it was the bastion of liberty and freedom.  Is it really all that better there?
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 04:25:54 PM »
For retirement, yes.

Or, was :(

Apparently it has gotten a lot worse the past few years after the US twisted their arm into trying to crack down on the drug trade - with results the reverse of intended.  ;/
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 05:21:55 PM »
Like lot of "great escapes" in the world--this one being in Baja--it is fine if you can fly into a private airport and have bodyguards and plenty of money to pass around in the local community and don't mind living in a compound.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 06:05:03 PM »
There have been incidents of even not very wealthy professionals (a person I talk to on the Internet a lot is a former engineer) finding a semblance of freedom in third-world countries. Not so much "liberty under law" but "you can do whatever you want because the government is too poor to fund lots of cops, and the few that sometimes come over are easily bribed not to care".

If you do not have a family, and despair in changing things, it is also an option.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 07:00:03 PM »
There have been incidents of even not very wealthy professionals (a person I talk to on the Internet a lot is a former engineer) finding a semblance of freedom in third-world countries. Not so much "liberty under law" but "you can do whatever you want because the government is too poor to fund lots of cops, and the few that sometimes come over are easily bribed not to care".

If you do not have a family, and despair in changing things, it is also an option.

Is this the "Mr Kurtz" approach to retirement?  =D
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 07:42:36 PM »
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There have been incidents of even not very wealthy professionals (a person I talk to on the Internet a lot is a former engineer) finding a semblance of freedom in third-world countries.

Montana is working out pretty well for us.  =)
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 08:29:06 PM »
A further detail that Ventura revealed on the Alex Jones Show which has not been picked up by mainstream media reports is the fact that Ventura’s lawyer was told the case could not go to a jury trial due to “secrecy reasons” related to national security.

“You cannot know what’s legal for the TSA to do or not, it’s considered national security, so there’s no way to know if you’re being abused or not,” said Ventura, adding, “The judge said it in the ruling, it’s secret and we have no way of knowing whether the Governor was abused or not.”

If that is true, Jesse "The Mildly Nutty" Ventura has a point.

I am not at all satisfied with or tolerant of secret laws which are being used against me.

There have been incidents of even not very wealthy professionals (a person I talk to on the Internet a lot is a former engineer) finding a semblance of freedom in third-world countries. Not so much "liberty under law" but "you can do whatever you want because the government is too poor to fund lots of cops, and the few that sometimes come over are easily bribed not to care".

If you do not have a family, and despair in changing things, it is also an option.

Liberty is liberty.  Best if codified in law, but still desirable.

I would rejoice at a fed.gov "...too poor to fund lots of cops, and the few that sometimes come over are easily bribed not to care."
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 10:49:12 PM »
Mexico is no bastion of freedom, BUT....funny (to me) story... I flew into Cancun airport in 1994 for a honeymoon, got off the plane and looked for a place to light up a cigarette without getting thrown in jail - asked a rifle toting Federale at the airport where I could smoke and he shrugged and said (the heavily accented version of) "It's a free country man, smoke wherever you want". Spent most of my honeymoon in the most innapropriate places (city bus, etc.) with a drink in one hand and a lit smoke in the other.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2011, 11:42:08 PM »
If that is true, Jesse "The Mildly Nutty" Ventura has a point.

I am not at all satisfied with or tolerant of secret laws which are being used against me.

He is indeed correct - one of the Terrorist Support Agency's vaunted "layers of protection" is the fact that we mere peons are not permitted to know or access the procedures governing TSA operations against their paying customers, nor the laws specifically authorizing said Constitutional violations against We The People.  The rationale behind this is so that the ebilnastybaduglyterrywrists can't figure out ways around said rules.  Of course, it has the effect of preventing us from knowing the rules We The People are expected to abide by in order to travel about our own freaking country by common-carrier aircraft, as well as permitting Team Sexual Assault apparatchiks to indulge their every petty powertripping whim against us without so much as a whiff of accountability or consequence.

I'm astonished, frankly, that the "Get your freak on, girl!" luggage screener is actually being fired over his grossly-inappropriate action - Alvin Crabtree, who brought a freaking CONCEALED FIREARM through his checkpoint (deliberately circumventing security procedures to do so), lost his badge (not his job - just got his badge temporarily suspended) for 30 days and was (supposedly) counselled.  Period.  You or I would face arrest, possible criminal charges, and significant "civil" fines - he got talked to. [barf]

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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 01:32:13 AM »
It's not possible to disagree with Ventura - in terms of his motivation, not his conclusions.

The problem is that Western society is so amazingly wealthy – by historical standards – that it can now afford detailing an incredible amount of resources to invading everybody's privacy. The TSA budget for 2012 (which includes not only the pat-down operators but all sorts of other, less intrusive services). This is, in other terms, less than 1% of America's GDP.  Expensive in absolute terms, but in no way prohibitive. In short, there is not an economic argument to stop this. The costs are in dignity and privacy – items that are not tangible on a politician's ledger.

Until the time that we bring about an actual revolution – and I am all in favor of revolutions of the non-violent kind – the only recourse will be a house out in the boonies, like Tallpine's, or leaving to some third-world country where the wonders of rolling checkpoints have not yet arrived.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 10:38:33 AM »
I'm just trying to wait out the inevitable federal bankruptcy, and a USSR style breakup so that the states can start over again.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 11:55:23 PM »
I EAGERLY await the FedGov bankruptcy.

At this point, it's the only means to chop the head off of Leviathan.

GOP won't do it, they have proven a fetish for Statism.  Tea Party doesn't have time to earn its way into office.  Libertarians don't have the mass appeal to obtain power to do it.  I don't even need to mention Democrats.


So, it's just gonna happen when it happens. 
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2011, 01:06:15 AM »
I EAGERLY await the FedGov bankruptcy.

At this point, it's the only means to chop the head off of Leviathan.

GOP won't do it, they have proven a fetish for Statism.  Tea Party doesn't have time to earn its way into office.  Libertarians don't have the mass appeal to obtain power to do it.  I don't even need to mention Democrats.


So, it's just gonna happen when it happens. 

This is basically my thoughts on the matter.  A return to sanity and sustainable government that respects the Constitution is basically not probable.  So I just intend to mind my own business and watch.  You'd be surprised how many feds share this opinion. 
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2011, 12:04:49 PM »
I told Mrs. B. that if he does, indeed, run for president - which he's threatening - he just might pull it off. IF, that is, he made a point about reducing the width and breadth of government; specifically:

Disband the TSA, DEA, Dept of Ed, BATFE and a bunch of other departments.

Run on a platform of freedom from government.

He just might get the Occupy $wherever folks behind him, too.

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2011, 12:24:00 PM »
He just might get the Occupy $wherever folks behind him, too.

I don't know about that.  Without the government regulating everyone and everything, the corporations will take over, man!  Robber barrons will rape the proletariat!

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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2011, 12:58:18 PM »
Ventura as a Presidential aspirant?  Why that's crazy.  But then the times are crazy.  Rule nothing out.  Nothing.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2011, 01:03:13 PM »
Ventura as a Presidential aspirant?  Why that's crazy.  But then the times are crazy.  Rule nothing out.  Nothing.

No. We can rule Mr. Ventura out.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 09:17:32 AM »
No. We can rule Mr. Ventura out.

He's better than Romney, and his madness is an asset.
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Re: Ventura, miffed by court, says he's off to Mexico
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2011, 11:20:48 AM »
I told Mrs. B. that if he does, indeed, run for president - which he's threatening - he just might pull it off. IF, that is, he made a point about reducing the width and breadth of government; specifically:

Disband the TSA, DEA, Dept of Ed, BATFE and a bunch of other departments.

Run on a platform of freedom from government.

He just might get the Occupy $wherever folks behind him, too.

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