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Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« on: December 13, 2011, 01:35:15 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KWhccfz1oU

Basically, he makes a quick and sloppy little .22 with a few bucks of materials, and then turns it in at a buy back.

So hilarious.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »
I've often thought about making turning in a bunch of $5 zip guns for cash or gift cards should they ever bring a gun "buyback" to my area . . .  >:D
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 12:56:56 PM »
Downright glamorous gun, compared to a High Point.   :lol:
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 01:45:54 PM »
I got a good chuckle at the open bolt design.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
I've often thought about making turning in a bunch of $5 zip guns for cash or gift cards should they ever bring a gun "buyback" to my area . . .  >:D

Not a bad idea. They'd just better have rifled barrels. Or guarantee complete anonymity/amnesty.

I would buy cheapo junker .22 single shot rifles, or even airguns for pennies on the dollar, then cut those up into barrel blanks, ream chambers with a cobalt-steel 16/64ths or 6mm drill bit. (approximately .23 for the case) and luckily, you only need a nice true flat face, since it's rimfire, so no need for a tricky counter-sink for the rim or anything.

A blowback action made from a rounded off grade 8 bolt with a nubbin of weld on it's face for a firing pin, and a spring, with a sear-tripping trigger, and you're in business.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 03:48:14 PM »
I guess it may not work well these days, but showing up and offering to buy any nice guns I saw walking in might work.  Of course, you may not be able to guarantee legitimate ownership. 
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 03:51:12 PM »
Not a bad idea. They'd just better have rifled barrels. Or guarantee complete anonymity/amnesty.

Does rifling have to be fully functional?  Or just curving scrape marks down the barrel?
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 04:17:02 PM »
Not a bad idea. They'd just better have rifled barrels. Or guarantee complete anonymity/amnesty.

I would buy cheapo junker .22 single shot rifles, or even airguns for pennies on the dollar, then cut those up into barrel blanks, ream chambers with a cobalt-steel 16/64ths or 6mm drill bit. (approximately .23 for the case) and luckily, you only need a nice true flat face, since it's rimfire, so no need for a tricky counter-sink for the rim or anything.

A blowback action made from a rounded off grade 8 bolt with a nubbin of weld on it's face for a firing pin, and a spring, with a sear-tripping trigger, and you're in business.

A #1 drill works for 22 rimfire.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 05:33:58 PM »
Hmmm, I happen to have a 10/22 barrel in the assorted parts box and a lathe at work ...
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 07:46:07 PM »
I guess it may not work well these days, but showing up and offering to buy any nice guns I saw walking in might work.  Of course, you may not be able to guarantee legitimate ownership. 

That's what he did.  He went and got a $40  certificate for his junko gun,  then traded said certificate for a nice shotgun

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 07:56:18 PM »
Does rifling have to be fully functional?  Or just curving scrape marks down the barrel?

lol, just get a small lead pipe, and run a course tap down the inside

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2011, 02:32:31 AM »
Wasn't there a thread a while back here where someone took up a large collection of junk guns and then went around from one gun buy back to another? Used them to get a nice rifle for some boy scouts if I'm remembering correctly, probably not.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 05:58:35 AM »
Would it Even need to be a functional gun? Throw a handful of scrap together into a gun shape and profit.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2011, 09:54:16 AM »
Would it Even need to be a functional gun? Throw a handful of scrap together into a gun shape and profit.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2011, 10:46:32 AM »
Would it Even need to be a functional gun? Throw a handful of scrap together into a gun shape and profit.

Haven't 8 year old boys been arrested for pointing chicken fingers at each other in the school cafeteria and saying "Bang, Bang"? (or was it "Pow, Pow"?)
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2011, 11:07:58 AM »
Does rifling have to be fully functional?  Or just curving scrape marks down the barrel?

I remember seeing some sort of determining standard about that, but I'm unable to find a cite.

If I can't find a court case, or reference to a law, then it's probably up to the discretion of the ATF technical branch to determine if rifling is sufficient or "real" enough to avoid a smooth-bore AOW designation, assuming a "virgin" frame or receiver for the firearm in question. Assuming it's a breechloader that uses fixed ammunition.

So to that, I'd say, the more "real" the rifling is, the better. IIRC, some have even made the case that rifling need not even curve, but can be straight, as the first rifling was intended to provide clearance for bore fouling, and it was only happanstance that imparted spin was discovered to generate increased accuracy and repeat-ability.

Many have suggested that as a work around for the AOW category, to produce handguns that fire shotshells that could still transfer as Title I firearms without any NFA hassles, at least for shells smaller than .28ga (must be at or under .50, or it is now a Destructive Device, unless granted an exemption, such as .600 Nitro have etc.)

However, no manufacturer I'm aware of has tested the waters with that as of yet.

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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2011, 12:00:16 PM »
You could build a smooth bore .50 pistol and chamber it for 32 gauge shotgun shells.  I don't think that would even be AOW ($200 tax stamp to legally build an AOW, then $5 to transfer it)  Magtech makes brass for it.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2011, 12:27:59 PM »
The city-sponsored gun buybacks I've seen all stress that there will be "no questions asked" . . . they need to do that to have any HOPE of getting "illegal guns" off the street. So if they're on the level, showing up with a smoothbore zipgun ought to be no problem - they're getting it off the street, right?

. . . some have even made the case that rifling need not even curve, but can be straight, as the first rifling was intended to provide clearance for bore fouling, and it was only happanstance that imparted spin was discovered to generate increased accuracy and repeat-ability.
Straight rifling will probably improve shotgun performance, as it would keep the shot column from rotating at all; in fact, a couple of decades ago, a custom manufacturer (I want to say Atkinson & Marquart, but couldn't swear to it) was making & selling shotgun barrels with straight rifling, that supposedly produced very good patterns for competitive trap shooters, especially those playing the yardage game.

The chokes that Thompson/Center supplied with their "HotShot" barrels had deep straight rifling to arrest the spin imparted by the rifled barrel . . .
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2011, 12:41:40 PM »
Wasn't there a thread a while back here where someone took up a large collection of junk guns and then went around from one gun buy back to another? Used them to get a nice rifle for some boy scouts if I'm remembering correctly, probably not.

That was in Illinois, I'm pretty sure.  Used the proceeds to buy some nice stuff.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2011, 12:46:05 PM »
I remember seeing some sort of determining standard about that, but I'm unable to find a cite.

If I can't find a court case, or reference to a law, then it's probably up to the discretion of the ATF technical branch to determine if rifling is sufficient or "real" enough to avoid a smooth-bore AOW designation, assuming a "virgin" frame or receiver for the firearm in question. Assuming it's a breechloader that uses fixed ammunition.

So to that, I'd say, the more "real" the rifling is, the better. IIRC, some have even made the case that rifling need not even curve, but can be straight, as the first rifling was intended to provide clearance for bore fouling, and it was only happanstance that imparted spin was discovered to generate increased accuracy and repeat-ability.

So, for gun buy "back" purposes, take a junker .22, and cut a real barrel into 4" lengths.    Or, how much would it cost to just buy a stock 10/22 barrel, from someone who customized?  Voila!, rifling as real as can be.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2011, 03:02:54 PM »
. . .Or, how much would it cost to just buy a stock 10/22 barrel, from someone who customized?  Voila!, rifling as real as can be.
Cost me nothing - I've already got a leftover from my 10/22 project.  ;)

Now I just need to wait for a lucrative buyback offer . . .  >:D
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2011, 07:54:31 PM »
Make them to as standard a design as you can manage then put on non-sequential serial numbers in the mid hundreds.  =D
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2011, 12:22:04 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KWhccfz1oU

Basically, he makes a quick and sloppy little .22 with a few bucks of materials, and then turns it in at a buy back.

So hilarious.

He should sell this. I'm sure there'd be buyers among us for, say a $45 single-shot.
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Re: Mark Serbu pwns a gun buy back
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2011, 09:45:38 AM »
Make them to as standard a design as you can manage then put on non-sequential serial numbers in the mid hundreds.  =D

Nah...

Just buy up a bunch of empty AKM/AK-74 crates, collect a bunch of empty Wolf ammo boxes, and leave the pile inside an unused OWS encampment tent.
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