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Stop Online Piracy Act
« on: January 15, 2012, 12:41:54 AM »
Just saw a notice posted about this.  H.R. 3261 "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) & S. 968 "Protect IP Act" (PIPA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

I haven't done any research on it yet.  Anyone have any thoughts on it?
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 12:48:39 AM »
Whenever the government wants to regulate anything to do with the internet, I get very, very wary. They don't give a *expletive deleted* about stopping actual piracy but do seem to have quite the appetite for chipping away at free speech...especially effective mediums of free speech...


Oh, and when the word "bipartisan" gets tossed around, RUN!


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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 07:19:03 AM »
Uhm...yeah no thanks.

As Avenger said, the government regulating the internet is, or at the very least opens the door for, bad juju
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 09:39:37 AM »
It's terrible. At least as bad as the DMCA.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 09:59:58 AM »
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 05:45:07 PM »
Quote from: Nick1911 on January 15, 2012, 12:41:54 AM
Just saw a notice posted about this.  H.R. 3261 "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) & S. 968 "Protect IP Act" (PIPA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

I haven't done any research on it yet.  Anyone have any thoughts on it?

Bad.

Pretty much unmitigated bad. :mad: [ar15]
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 06:55:58 PM »
It's a leap towards "Chinese style" internet.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 07:04:53 PM »
Some sites will be "going dark" on the 18th in protest.  Including reddit, and craigslist.

Somehow craigslist got wind that Monster Cable was planning on taking down craigslist as soon as Sopa came into effect in an effort to stop second-hand sales of its cables.  :O
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 07:52:17 PM »
Quote from: CNYCacher on January 15, 2012, 07:04:53 PM
Somehow craigslist got wind that Monster Cable was planning on taking down craigslist as soon as Sopa came into effect in an effort to stop second-hand sales of its cables.  :O

 ???

WTF?

How the hell does second-hand sales infringe on copyright at all? Last time I checked, no manufacturer has the ability to stop second hand sales; even the software companies got drubbed on that, IIRC.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 11:39:14 PM »
Quote from: Regolith on January 15, 2012, 07:52:17 PM
???

WTF?

How the hell does second-hand sales infringe on copyright at all? Last time I checked, no manufacturer has the ability to stop second hand sales; even the software companies got drubbed on that, IIRC.




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Corporations whose lobbyists drafted SOPA and PIPA want the ability to block you from reaching any web site they feel hurts their profits -- without due process, or review in any court -- by hijacking DNS (!) and censoring search results. Hoping you won't notice until it's too late, Congress is preparing to give them that right.

For example, Monster Cable (who brought "Monster Park" to 49er fans) considers craigslist a "rogue site" for takedown under PIPA - they want to prevent YOU from selling YOUR unwanted cables, by removing craigslist from the Internet entirely (reddit), so they can increase their sales of new cables! Many other "rights holders" want to be able to do the same. (Boycott anyone? There's an app for that.)

SOPA/PIPA authors and supporters insist they're only fighting "piracy," but Internet Engineers understand that this is an attempt to impose China-style government control over our public Internet. Hmmm, who should we believe?


Read the rest here: http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 11:47:16 PM »
Stopping terrorists and/or pirates--real or imagined--with tyranny is a devil's bargain. 

There are ways of dealing with both without surrendering all of our civil liberties.  We have to draw the line.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 02:07:18 AM »
The problem is that if this legislation gets pushed through and signed, and implementation happens fast enough, there isn't anything we (meaning anti-SOPA) can do.  Pure communications and all.

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 05:38:25 AM »
Quote from: longeyes on January 15, 2012, 11:47:16 PM
Stopping terrorists and/or pirates--real or imagined--with tyranny is a devil's bargain. 

There are ways of dealing with both without surrendering all of our civil liberties.  We have to draw the line.
Exactly. Piracy/counterfeit is already illegal. If there is evidence of this, take them to court.

This BS is just one more level of BS that should be balled up and thrown in the fire
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 10:22:42 AM »
Quote from: Nick1911 on January 15, 2012, 12:41:54 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on it?

It's sole purpose effectively negates due process.

Allegedly, if SOPA passed, Monster Cable is/was planning on trying to take down Craigslist due to second hand sales of their hideously overpriced and underperforming cables.

Source: http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM »
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115265-U-S-Congress-Shelves-SOPA

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 05:14:01 PM »
Something tells me that even second hand Monster cables are overpriced. 

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 05:17:39 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 16, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
Something tells me that even second hand Monster cables are overpriced. 

Monoprice.com FTW. 

Quote from: Blakenzy on January 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115265-U-S-Congress-Shelves-SOPA

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 05:24:17 PM »
SOPA shall return with a new name during a busy news cycle where folks might miss it...

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 05:39:56 PM »
I wonder if these sites are still going to go dark on wednesday?
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2012, 02:09:08 PM »
Don't forget PIPA, which is just as bad if not worse.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2012, 04:39:27 PM »
Quote from: Nick1911 on January 16, 2012, 05:39:56 PM
I wonder if these sites are still going to go dark on wednesday?

According to today's news, Wiki is still planning to do so.
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2012, 05:37:53 PM »
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Don't forget PIPA, which is just as bad if not worse.

Yes. PIPA is still on the table. We ought to keep an eye out on that one.

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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 10:13:14 PM »
After a 3-day hiatus, SOPA is back.  :mad:
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2012, 08:32:53 AM »
Aaaand both Wiki and Google are under blackout.


Oh, and to a friend of mine who stated that Obama claimed he wouldn't support the SOPA, I replied: "Won't support" is not the same as "won't sign" or "will veto." He'll "refuse to support it" and then "reluctantly sign it."
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Re: Stop Online Piracy Act
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2012, 08:58:57 AM »
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on January 18, 2012, 08:32:53 AM
Aaaand both Wiki and Google are under blackout.


Oh, and to a friend of mine who stated that Obama claimed he wouldn't support the SOPA, I replied: "Won't support" is not the same as "won't sign" or "will veto." He'll "refuse to support it" and then "reluctantly sign it."

Replace 'reluctantly' with 'during a friday night GOP debate when nobody's paying attention to him'
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