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Joe Pa dies
« on: January 22, 2012, 11:15:30 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/22/us/pennsylvania-obit-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Regardless of the circumstances...it's a damn shame he went out this way.  RIP.

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 11:25:17 AM »
After he got fired I figured he'd live no more than 2 years.  His whole life was Penn State football, and that was ripped out from under him (deservedly so, but still).  Thought he'd make it longer than 3 months though.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 11:26:24 AM »
Hate it that is life's work is ruined with the scandal.  RIP JoePa.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 12:45:35 PM »
Good riddance.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 02:11:16 PM »
Hate it that is life's work is ruined with the scandal.  RIP JoePa.

Isn't that his fault? Not that his life's work amounts to anything terribly important, of course.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 03:53:58 PM »

Requiescat in pace.



Fistful, a lot of people view his life's work as more important than any scientist, artist, author, etc. I was honestly shocked, though I shouldn't be, at how many folks decried his dismissal as being unfair instead of anger at his failure to do the right thing. He's dead now, so I suppose it is moot. Hopefully he is at peace.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 04:19:52 PM »
Isn't that his fault? Not that his life's work amounts to anything terribly important, of course.

I don't think so. He properly forwarded the report he received from his graduate assistant coach to not one but TWO superiors, both of whose jobs it was to deal with such things. Joe's job was to coach the football team. Paterno himself said just a few days ago that, in hindsight, he wished he had done more -- but the fact remains that he did what he was supposed to do. I don't think it's fair to blame him because TWO superiors didn't do THEIR jobs.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 04:37:01 PM »
Yeah...maybe the Science Dept can make up the difference with an annual science fair....or bake sale.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-penn-state-joe-paterno-column-kline-20120122,0,425957.column
JoePa's support of academics and the success of his team combined to make Penn State a desirable place for students — not just athletes. Penn State's enrollment has exploded over the years to 85,000, including those at its satellite campuses. Some years, 70,000 or more high school seniors apply for the 7,000 or so freshman-class openings at Penn State's University Park campus.

Penn State has become a strong academic institution — not just a strong football program — in large part because of Joe Paterno. For example:

•Since 1966, when Paterno became head coach, Penn State's endowment has grown from practically nothing to $1.67 billion as of 2007.

•Paterno's fund-raising efforts, including campaigns using his name, have resulted in about $2 billion for Penn State.

•The university has added a law school and medical school since 1996.

•The University Park campus has nearly doubled in size since 1966.

•JoePa even donated to charity some of his proceeds from merchandise sold with his image.

•He probably was the most underpaid coach, relatively speaking, in the history of big-time college football, last fall making less than all but one other coach in the Big Ten Conference.

•He won the National Heritage Award of the Anti-Defamation League for his role as humanitarian and philanthropist.

•Paterno was named Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated, an honor for sportsmanship as well as for achievement.

•He has produced 74 Academic All-Americans, and Penn State football consistently is a national leader in the percentage of its players who graduate — and that includes high graduation rates for minorities, too.

•He measured the success of his teams not in wins and losses, but how those players later influenced society as teachers and surgeons and engineers and leaders.

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 04:49:02 PM »
I don't think so. He properly forwarded the report he received from his graduate assistant coach to not one but TWO superiors, both of whose jobs it was to deal with such things. Joe's job was to coach the football team. Paterno himself said just a few days ago that, in hindsight, he wished he had done more -- but the fact remains that he did what he was supposed to do. I don't think it's fair to blame him because TWO superiors didn't do THEIR jobs.

Call me funny, but if one of my subordinates is allegedly molesting children using my organization as cover and opportunity, I'd make DAMN sure it was fully investigated regardless of the laws in question. Mr Paterno did the legal minimum. Which is fine, legally. Aside from the moral aspects, you'd think Mr Paterno would want to be more protective of both his own reputation as well as his institution. You could argue that Joe's job was managing the football team, and he failed his duties by failing to appropriately manage his personnel.


I've run into this issue doing information security work. I don't touch on specifics for obvious legal reasons, but we had an IT worker with heightened access that may have been a pedophile. He has access to the computers and all email. Certain parts of the organization had a high percentage of combat veterans, now married with kids. I made the point to HR that it would reflect badly on the company if the person used company resources to do bad things, and it would reflect even worse if the gentleman in question had an "accident" while in employment. Which was extremely credible. Thankfully, the guy was thoroughly incompetent and a poor worker anyways.

Personnel issues like this are part of the job when you're a senior manager. You have a duty to do your job, look out for the organization as a whole, and keep tabs on your personnel. You do this because you are paid to do so, and also to protect your own reputation and future career.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 05:01:52 PM »
I hope he rests in peace.  His life story contains some important lessons. 

I am not one to grave dance, but I did chuckle when I read the Onion headline:

"Joe Paterno Dies In Hospital; Doctors Promise To Tell Their Superiors First Thing Tomorrow" 

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 05:05:03 PM »
I hope he rests in peace.  His life story contains some important lessons. 

I am not one to grave dance, but I did chuckle when I read the Onion headline:

"Joe Paterno Dies In Hospital; Doctors Promise To Tell Their Superiors First Thing Tomorrow" 

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 05:51:38 PM »
I'm with red headed stranger in that I'm not one to grave dance...

But I'm also right there with Rev in that if you know one of your subordinates is doing what has been alleged, then for damn sure you don't just go to your boss and say "hey, so and so is diddlin' little boys in the shower"...  You call two of your biggest linebackers to sit with him and make sure his butt doesn't even remotely think about getting out of the chair he's sitting in and get on the horn to the cops.  Immediately.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 05:55:43 PM »
And he kept the guy on his staff.  :facepalm:
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 06:00:08 PM »
the right thing is sometimes more than the legal minimum
collegiate academics often are secondary to athletics. thats a shame and only happens with everyones cooperation or at least silence
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 06:01:40 PM »
I'm with red headed stranger in that I'm not one to grave dance...

But I'm also right there with Rev in that if you know one of your subordinates is doing what has been alleged, then for damn sure you don't just go to your boss and say "hey, so and so is diddlin' little boys in the shower"...  You call two of your biggest linebackers to sit with him and make sure his butt doesn't even remotely think about getting out of the chair he's sitting in and get on the horn to the cops.  Immediately.

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It's insane that our blind love of sports in this country gets us to say things like "Well, when he found out about all the KID RAPING that was going on, he... you know... notified his boss, or something."

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 06:05:20 PM »
Oddly...NO ONE went to the police, including victims and parents.  At this point everything is still in the "alleged" category.

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »
well, so far, the accused has admitted to "harmless showering" with young boys who were not his own.

Sure, we're still in "alleged" territory. But I think we're far enough in "alleged" territory to where I can see the skyline of "child raping shitbrick" in the distance...
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2012, 06:08:21 PM »
As head coach, he is absolutely responsible for the actions of those who work for him.
He also had the responsibility to follow up on the report about Jerry to ensure that it was addressed.
Since Jerry was still around, it was a reasonable assumption that nothing was done to him.
He should have followed up, period.
His reputation is ruined, and he is rightly branded as allowing child molestation to take place by a subordinate.
No amount of past work or fundraising will diminish such an egregious mistake.
His only legacy is allowing children to be molested. The world is much better without him.
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2012, 06:37:21 PM »
Oddly...NO ONE went to the police, including victims and parents.  At this point everything is still in the "alleged" category.

one of the parents did  and zip happened  there was some tie between the ca and the college or second mile. lots of ties do many in the legal proffesion as well as judiciary
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2012, 10:36:06 PM »
And he kept the guy on his staff.  :facepalm:

And, once again, you display a remarkable ability to not know what the *expletive deleted*ck you're talking about.

Jerry Sandusky was NOT on Joe Paterno's staff in 2002 when the abuse allegations were first brought to Paterno's attention.

Sandusky RETIRED IN 1999 after he was told that he would not become head coach when Paterno retired. Sandusky had no coaching duties, and he was NOT a member of Paterno's staff.

At that point, Sandusky was a coach emeritus. The athletic director provided him with access to Penn State facilities -- Paterno had little to no say over that arrangement.

No, Paterno didn't do enough to counter this incident when it was brought to his attention. That's on him, and always will be.

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
why did they let him keep an office there so long?
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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2012, 10:44:48 PM »
Oddly...NO ONE went to the police, including victims and parents.  At this point everything is still in the "alleged" category.

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Re: Joe Pa dies
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2012, 11:00:50 PM »
And, once again, you display a remarkable ability to not know what the *expletive deleted* you're talking about.

Yeah, I don't know the details of a college sports program on the other end of the country, sorry. Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2012, 11:03:36 PM »
why did they let him keep an office there so long?

That's a question for the athletic director, who would be responsible for that policy.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2012, 11:08:26 PM »
Yeah, I don't know the details of a college sports program on the other end of the country, sorry. Thanks for the info.

And yet, that admitted lack of knowledge didn't stop you from expressing your "crocodile rage" and commenting as if you did, did it?

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