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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2012, 09:05:19 AM »
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
I'd be willing to bet that if we "regulars" got together will all of our assorted ... weapons, we'd have enough firepower to make an impact. All the more reason we need to find our own little town somewhere. Preferably with a good defensive position.  =D
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2012, 12:54:46 PM »
Birdman 2, my 3, AJ's 1, 41mag's 1, Nick's 1, Balrog's 1, Ben's 2, freak's 1, your 1.  We're well on the way to becoming the 1%.

What are we, a full quarter of that group buy?
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2012, 01:24:20 PM »
What are we, a full quarter of that group buy?

Ah, I believe a healthy percentage already HAVE them.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2012, 02:54:04 PM »
I wonder, if all of us stood in a rough line, at the maximum reasonable distance for LOS of a flare (taking advantage of terrain where possible) how much distance could we cover to send a signal via relay from one end to the other, each firing a flare in turn?
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2012, 06:33:34 PM »
I wonder, if all of us stood in a rough line, at the maximum reasonable distance for LOS of a flare (taking advantage of terrain where possible) how much distance could we cover to send a signal via relay from one end to the other, each firing a flare in turn?

I bet the math has been done - this is how the Byzantines communicated in wartime.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2012, 07:31:47 PM »
I'm holding out for a spikes havoc
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2012, 10:44:15 PM »
Woohoo. Finally got registered on Grogs board. Been going through a little biit on the 26.5mm section and man, I now REALLY can't wait for it to get in. It is just so beautiful looking. :'( It looks like a finely made shotgun. I've also begun to realize this is going to cost me more than just the gun to start reloading, :facepalm: =D Oh well. I'll have to buy a few of those old Czech flares for the time so I have some things ready to fire.
Speaking of flares, can you actually just go out and shoot those, since flares are normally used in distress situations? Well, except during the Fourth of July, which has got to be a real crappy time to actually need to use them, :laugh:
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2012, 11:25:35 PM »
Mainly just don't shoot red flares anywhere near navigable open water. USCG takes a dim view of that.  :angel:

Otherwise, maybe refrain from doing it near large public lands where folks could also be lost or in distress.

After that, it's just a matter of your local fireworks ordinances.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2012, 09:35:53 AM »
The video of the parachute flares makes me nervous around here.  It is dripping burning magnesium? all the way to the ground for the entire duration.  If I wanted to start a forest fire this would be the round though!

Maybe over a lake....

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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2012, 10:36:27 AM »
I'm not sure either. In fact limited opportunities to use flares in my suburban neighborhood is exactly why I must DD my RV85 so I can shoot stuff at my gun club, or I'll almost never use it.

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This was big news in Milwaukee at the time. Burned the whole frigging plant down, burned for 2-3 days, several cities FD's responded and it cost tens of millions in damages and put hundreds of people out of work.

And it turns out it was a Marine on leave who'd smuggled a rocket illumination flare home to use as "fireworks".  :facepalm:
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2012, 02:28:58 PM »
it seems an un regulated flare gun could create create lots of mayhem
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2012, 07:13:55 PM »
This is why I'll just stick to smoke and chalk rounds, and also the projectiles for sale at the reloadableshells.com website, especially since I'm in California. Is there a risk of fire with the smoke rounds? With the projectiles from reloadableshells.com are those used for chalk, flares, smoke, or what? Since they are made out of a hard plastic. Or can you just shoot them as projectiles, and if so would they have to be registered as DD? ???
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2012, 09:17:18 PM »
This is why I'll just stick to smoke and chalk rounds, and also the projectiles for sale at the reloadableshells.com website, especially since I'm in California. Is there a risk of fire with the smoke rounds? With the projectiles from reloadableshells.com are those used for chalk, flares, smoke, or what? Since they are made out of a hard plastic. Or can you just shoot them as projectiles, and if so would they have to be registered as DD? ???

That is a gray area. Generally, the hollow projectiles are for pyro, stars and flare compounds etc. You shoot them up, and it makes some sort of colors in the sky, it's just a flare gun.

You take an empty one, or one filled with dead weight and shoot it horizontally at a target, you've arguably just made your RV85 a DD. The projectiles themselves would not be registerable DD's unless they contained over 1/4oz of explosive in them. Strangely, you put a rubber ball or just a chunk of wooden dowel in a casing over .50 cal, and you've made a non-registerable DD round that makes what your launching it from a DD. However, if you make something like a smoke grenade that instead burns OC or CS, it's "defensive" and "gas or irritant dispersing" and not a DD. Go figure.  [tinfoil] (I think it may have been done to alleviate prisons and LEA's from having to do extra paperwork on tear gas launchers..)

Also, do know there is SOME disagreement over chalk rounds. My FFL/SOT says "Chalk rounds? Pfft... they're for practice and are just chalk used for MARKING, so obviously they make an unregistered launcher non-DD." Grog feels since they're practice rounds for ammunition that would make your launcher become a DD, or are practice for the rounds that would be individual DD's themselves, and because they're fired to practice for use in an offensive manner, they are "danger close" for someone with an unregistered launcher.

Me personally, I agree with my FFL/SOT friend that I'd be okay with shooting chalk markers out of an unregistered launcher. I figure the ATF would only make a stink over it if they were looking to get me on something, and that meant I already had their attention for other reasons. Something I never plan to have happen, at least through my own stupidity or actions.  Everyone else, just be aware that there's a difference of opinion on chalk markers, and they need to make up their own minds.

Also, of those capsules on Reloadableshells.com, the 26.5mm does not carry enough payload to really do a good job with the colored chalk dust as a practice marker, unless there's a small dispersal charge, with fold out fins, and an inertial firing pin in the tail and a 209 shotgun primer, or similar. Some folks on Grog's board have posted some really tantalizing designs for that, but there's been word boo on how to actually make or mold the plastic parts for it.



Smoke definitely CAN start fires. Probably a LOT easier than tracers would, which I hear could get you the death penalty in CA.  [tinfoil] Although I suppose you could figure out a smoke mixture that is even lower temperature. I don't know...
« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 09:25:33 PM by AJ Dual »
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2012, 09:45:45 PM »
Graaa!
So the hollow projectiles are made to be blown apart? The chalk rounds only work well if they are basically attached to something like those mini rocket grenades? Lol. Sounds like I'll just have to DD it. That mouse balls idea sounded like it would be pretty fun. Wonder if I could turn the hollow projectiles into simply propelling a parachute, sort of like a model rocket, instead of being a flare. Big thing I'm worried about is creating a fire hazard with the flares, that and accidently creating a DD,  :facepalm: Stupid government making difficult to have fun.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2012, 10:34:22 PM »
I've got half baked ideas about a bright LED strobe on a parachute maybe even a "camera grenades " if I can figure it out with relatively cheap COTS components.  >:D

Thinking about it some more, I do take it back a bit on the chalk. There's folks rolling Pyro cardboard tubes longer than the casings for 26.5mm, and the original Czech CS gas rockets were really long too.  So I guess a looong capsule of chalk up front might hold enough to disperse visibly on impact.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 10:43:21 PM by AJ Dual »
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2012, 10:37:44 PM »
I've got half baked ideas about a bright LED strobe on a parachute maybe even a "camera grenades " if I can figure it out with relatively cheap COTS components.  >:D
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2012, 10:47:24 PM »
The FAA might not approve.

It would only be a few hundred yards high at most, unless I intentionally tried to shoot such a thing near a low-flying aircraft, or near an airport, I doubt they'd have anything to do with it.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2012, 03:48:55 PM »
can you shoot these?
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2012, 04:03:57 PM »
can you shoot these?


Yes, but they'd qualify the launcher as a DD. Much like the Blooming Onion.
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2012, 04:15:11 PM »
It would only be a few hundred yards high at most, unless I intentionally tried to shoot such a thing near a low-flying aircraft, or near an airport, I doubt they'd have anything to do with it.

You can get away with a lot as long as you're operating below 500' outside of terminal controlled airspace.  Rule of thumb, be at least 5sm from any controlled airport.
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« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2012, 04:30:55 PM »
You can get away with a lot as long as you're operating below 500' outside of terminal controlled airspace.  Rule of thumb, be at least 5sm from any controlled airport.

Good to know.

Although I've also got ideas about some rocket assisted projectiles, using A/B/C Estes or Quest rocket motors.  >:D
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2012, 08:34:56 PM »
Would you stop with the flare launcher torture?  I DON'T NEED ONE!!!  It's not working...
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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2012, 11:43:58 PM »
Would you stop with the flare launcher torture?  I DON'T NEED ONE!!!  It's not working...

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Re: Flare guns
« Reply #99 on: February 24, 2012, 08:07:13 AM »
Would you stop with the flare launcher torture?  I DON'T NEED ONE!!!  It's not working...
Same here - but in my case, I just know I'd somehow manage to get myself into hot water by doing something easy, obvious, and straightforward, but without the official sanctioning paperwork . . .

(And besides, none of the local ranges would take kindly to my touching off the type of flare gun innovations under discussion here . . .  :'( )
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