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what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« on: March 05, 2012, 12:00:54 AM »
http://rt.com/news/paint-asteroid-earth-nasa-767/


Looks like we are due for that comet that Arthur C Clark promised us in Rendezvous With Rama.

If it hits they are saying it will be like that one that hit Siberia early in the 20th century-not enough for extinction but very severe nonetheless.

If it misses us and the moon - what will it look like from the ground?

If it hits the moon-how deep in the smelly stuff are we?

Will civilians be able to predict where and when it will strike or do we have to take big brothers word?

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 12:21:35 AM »
Nonsense. This is nothing more than Newt Gingrich propaganda to make moon bases a major election issue.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 01:14:27 AM »
http://rt.com/news/paint-asteroid-earth-nasa-767/


Looks like we are due for that comet that Arthur C Clark promised us in Rendezvous With Rama.

If it hits they are saying it will be like that one that hit Siberia early in the 20th century-not enough for extinction but very severe nonetheless.

If it misses us and the moon - what will it look like from the ground?

If it hits the moon-how deep in the smelly stuff are we?

Will civilians be able to predict where and when it will strike or do we have to take big brothers word?


I heard it was about 150 meters in diameter. That's about 500-1000 megatons. Depending on where it strikes, ocean or land (ocean has better odds statistically) it would be roughly as bad as "two Krakatoa" eruptions. The Tunguska blast in Siberia was about 5-10 Megatons, maybe as much as 30. So if this asteroid were to impact, it would be much worse. Also Tunguska was an airburst, it exploded before it could reach the ground.

Ocean impact would create large tsunamis, which in the right place, could kill up to 1-2 Billion folks if it hit "just right" in the Indian Ocean centered on India and the populous areas of SE Asia. Maybe 500 Million right away, the rest due to infrastructure collapse. 

Worldwide, summers would fail for one or two years, be crappy, in the 50's or 60's max in the mid latitudes. Winters would be harsh. Then things would return to normal.

If it hit the moon, not much at all. The majority of the ejecta would not hit the Earth, and that that did, the majority of that would be of a size to burn up in the atmosphere. Just my WAG... but I think that a lunar impact would create just a statistical blip for a few years in the level of rocks that are hitting us all the time.

If it went by? Somewhere inside a sphere bound by the Moon's orbit as the diameter, centered on the Earth? It looks like a low magnatude star sliding on by, not too different than watching a dim satellite move across the sky. Even one that was a Dino-killer and several kilometers or miles in size would not be too different looking.

A comet, that would be SPECTACULAR. The coma of gas and dust would be bigger than the moon and fairly bright, assuming it was a relatively fresh and active nucleus that hadn't been evaporated/burned out by prior passes to the inner solar system and sun heating etc.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 01:19:48 AM »
Darn, I got comet and asteroid mixed up. :facepalm:
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 01:23:07 AM »
Darn, I got comet and asteroid mixed up. :facepalm:

As long as you don't get asteroid and hemorrhoid mixed up you'll probably be ok.

Does this mean the Mayan calendar isn't quite as accurate as it is purported to be?
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 01:27:55 AM »
Visually, a 60 meter sphere at 27,000km is equivalent to a 7.62mm bullet hole at 3429m.  It will take some optics to see it.  Visual speed, angular displacement per unit time, will vary continuously and depend on velocity, which is not mentioned in the linked article.  If visual speed is zero, it is time to be elsewhere. =D
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 02:43:06 AM »
Visually, a 60 meter sphere at 27,000km is equivalent to a 7.62mm bullet hole at 3429m.  It will take some optics to see it.  Visual speed, angular displacement per unit time, will vary continuously and depend on velocity, which is not mentioned in the linked article.  If visual speed is zero, it is time to be elsewhere. =D

So, if the end is near ( like its new yrs eve and its due to strike ) will there be accurate info as to where it strikes?
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 08:18:17 AM »
Depends on the naughty/nice list status

On a bad day it's gobsmacking Yellowstone.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 08:28:11 AM »
Depends on the naughty/nice list status

On a bad day it's gobsmacking Yellowstone.


and who knows if that would even set off the super volcano.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 01:04:58 PM »
"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances! He does not wear the "Hello, my name is.." badge!
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 01:38:33 PM »
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 01:56:51 PM »
I heard it was about 150 meters in diameter. That's about 500-1000 megatons.

I heard it was 60 meters in diameter and the estimated energy of impact is 2.2 megatons
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 02:23:43 PM »
Very pretty red X in white box.

Right click on X.  Select "show picture".  See Marvin.

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 02:48:35 PM »
Thread hijack and rant warning:
As an air traffic controller, I detest the term "near miss".  If they "nearly missed", wouldn't they collide?
Seems like its poor grammar, too.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 02:57:07 PM »
I heard it was 60 meters in diameter and the estimated energy of impact is 2.2 megatons

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2012, 03:21:13 PM »
Just what my nerves need.  Anybody ELSE read Lucifer's Hammer?
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2012, 05:02:00 PM »
near miss:  A miss (as opposed to a hit) of the "near" variety.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 05:15:58 PM »
Just what my nerves need.  Anybody ELSE read Lucifer's Hammer?

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 07:13:40 PM »
Right click on X.  Select "show picture".  See Marvin.

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2012, 07:38:54 PM »
Thread hijack and rant warning:
As an air traffic controller, I detest the term "near miss".  If they "nearly missed", wouldn't they collide?
Seems like its poor grammar, too.



Nearly missed =/= near miss.
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2012, 07:39:59 PM »
Just what my nerves need.  Anybody ELSE read Lucifer's Hammer?

Oh, yes.

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2012, 08:10:06 PM »
Just what my nerves need.  Anybody ELSE read Lucifer's Hammer?

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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2012, 09:14:11 PM »
Thread hijack and rant warning:
As an air traffic controller, I detest the term "near miss".  If they "nearly missed", wouldn't they collide?
Seems like its poor grammar, too.


Correct-a-mundo, ATC cowboy.

Slips like that rate right up there with "hot water heater." (Who heats HOT water? We heat cold water to MAKE it hot.)
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2012, 09:34:58 PM »

Nearly missed =/= near miss.

Yeah yeah yeah. 
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Re: what would a near miss with an asteroid look like?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »
Correct-a-mundo, ATC cowboy.

Slips like that rate right up there with "hot water heater." (Who heats HOT water? We heat cold water to MAKE it hot.)


It's not a slip. If it doesn't make sense to you, don't use it, but the word near is used that way.
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