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This is going to get Interesting...
« on: April 04, 2012, 08:33:27 PM »
http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20120404/NEWS01/204040328/1002/rss01

Judge approves fired pregnant teacher's lawsuit

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CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has given the go-ahead for trial in a lawsuit against the Archdiocese of Cincinnati by a Catholic school teacher fired after she became pregnant through artificial insemination.

This is going to be a very interesting case!

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is expressly against artificial means for pregnancy.
The terms of her employment contract will play a big part in the legal wranglings.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 11:41:17 PM »
What leg is she standing on?  ???
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 06:06:47 AM »
Wonder if they'd let the suit go forward if it was a cleaning woman fired from the local mosque for failing to wear a burka and eating a ham sandwich . . .
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 10:19:57 AM »
Don't like it, don't work for a Catholic institution. It's not exactly hidden in the fine print.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 10:28:36 AM »
Don't like it, don't work for a Catholic institution. It's not exactly hidden in the fine print.
Correct, but as mentioned above, it depends on the contract. Wouldn't have mattered in SC as we are a RTW state.  :angel:
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »
Correct, but as mentioned above, it depends on the contract. Wouldn't have mattered in SC as we are a RTW state.  :angel:

Depends.  You can still work under contract in a RTW state.  Contract agreed to by both parties overrides RTW.  Of course, "at will" applies if there is no contract.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 11:01:06 AM »
Wonder if they'd let the suit go forward if it was a cleaning woman fired from the local mosque for failing to wear a burka and eating a ham sandwich . . .
Good point, but it might not matter if the place had rules to follow that the person was notified of when they were hired. 
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 11:44:12 AM »
I actually have a pdf of the Diocese contract with our local teachers.

AI is not mentioned specifically, but it does reference 'any violation of Diocesan policy' as grounds for dismissal.
Seems that even non-Catholic teachers must know the Diocesan policy to maintain employment.

Still not sure if this was the reason.

As usual, had she kept her mouth shut, there would have been no issue.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 11:49:35 AM »
I'm with the church on this one.  Employers have the right to impose arbitrary requirements on employees, provided that it's known up front.  Their property, their rules.

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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 02:02:31 PM »
Instead of an autocracy of the many we are codifying an "autocracy" of the individual.  This can only lead to anarchy.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 02:14:58 PM »
I don't think liberals and feminists look far enough ahead to see the potential unintended consequences of their recent actions against the RCC.

If the RCC is required to pay for birth control or employ people who do other things in conflict with the church, it would not be too hard to imagine a future where the Church finds it 'difficult'  to find women who are qualified for positions that are under 50 years old.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 04:49:30 PM »
I don't think liberals and feminists look far enough ahead to see the potential unintended consequences of their recent actions against the RCC.

If the RCC is required to pay for birth control or employ people who do other things in conflict with the church, it would not be too hard to imagine a future where the Church finds it 'difficult'  to find women who are qualified for positions that are under 50 years old.

The RCC, IMHO, is to focused on what they believe, as opposed to reality of the world where they exist.
I am not saying that they need to completely abandon their values, but they need to use common sense.
The current average of a RCC priest is 67 years old.
If they allowed priests to be married, they would not be so hard up as they currently are.
They may ride their current beliefs structure straight into obscurity....
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2012, 05:04:07 PM »
Instead of an autocracy of the many we are codifying an "autocracy" of the individual.  This can only lead to anarchy.

You get me so horny when you speak of anarchy.


The individual is the smallest minority.


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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2012, 05:23:06 PM »
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The RCC, IMHO, is to focused on what they believe, as opposed to reality of the world where they exist.
I am not saying that they need to completely abandon their values, but they need to use common sense.
The current average of a RCC priest is 67 years old.
If they allowed priests to be married, they would not be so hard up as they currently are.
They may ride their current beliefs structure straight into obscurity....

Therein lies the difference...
You believe something which might be a legitimate criticism of the RCC, but others are actively trying to force their will on the religeon.
There are plenty of wishy-washy-anything-goes 'christian' sects in America, and their membership numbers are dropping faster than the RCC's.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2012, 05:46:20 PM »
Any religion is not completely free to do whatever they want.

Limitations do exist legally and morally - the RCC cannot escape that.

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2012, 07:07:38 PM »
Any religion is not completely free to do whatever they want.

Limitations do exist legally and morally - the RCC cannot escape that.


The RCC, IMHO, is to focused on what they believe, as opposed to reality of the world where they exist.
I am not saying that they need to completely abandon their values, but they need to use common sense.
The current average of a RCC priest is 67 years old.
If they allowed priests to be married, they would not be so hard up as they currently are.
They may ride their current beliefs structure straight into obscurity....


 ???


So are you saying the RCC has to hire people who won't follow their policies, and keep them no matter what they do?

And why would the traditions that the RCC has held for hundreds of years be their undoing at this point in history? I know Canticle for Liebowitz is fiction, but between modern notions and the RCC, I'm certainly not betting on the moderns. The RCC has some ideas I don't cotton to, but they've shown a lot of staying power.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2012, 08:52:04 PM »
I actually have a pdf of the Diocese contract with our local teachers.

AI is not mentioned specifically, but it does reference 'any violation of Diocesan policy' as grounds for dismissal.
Seems that even non-Catholic teachers must know the Diocesan policy to maintain employment.

Still not sure if this was the reason.

As usual, had she kept her mouth shut, there would have been no issue.


How was she to keep her mouth shut?  She went to ask for maternity leave and the school knew she was single.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2012, 09:10:14 PM »
How was she to keep her mouth shut?  She went to ask for maternity leave and the school knew she was single.

No, she was not fired for being pregnant, but the method - artificial insemination.

This violates the RCC Catechism.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 10:16:00 PM »
No, she was not fired for being pregnant, but the method - artificial insemination.

This violates the RCC Catechism.


Then again, so does being single and pregnant.  :lol:
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2012, 10:39:19 PM »

Then again, so does being single and pregnant.  :lol:

Oh *expletive deleted*it - I missed that one!

Yea, so much for any precedent here.

She is complete toast!  =D
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2012, 12:47:25 AM »
Emphasis mine:
The RCC, IMHO, is to focused on what they believe, as opposed to reality of the world where they exist.
I am not saying that they need to completely abandon their values, but they need to use common sense.
The current average of a RCC priest is 67 years old.
If they allowed priests to be married, they would not be so hard up as they currently are.
They may ride their current beliefs structure straight into obscurity....


Somehow I don't think the RCC is all that worried about your assesment of their structures and future viability.

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2012, 01:39:13 AM »
Emphasis mine:
Somehow I don't think the RCC is all that worried about your assesment of their structures and future viability.


Gettin' all Biblical, eh? I figured the fact that they had been around (at least in some form) for over a thousand years ought to have given him a clue.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2012, 09:35:42 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2012, 10:59:59 AM »
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the contract wasn’t gender-neutral – artificial insemination issues only apply to women, she said

What delightful idiocy.
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Re: This is going to get Interesting...
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2012, 12:05:31 PM »
The #1 fastest growing religious sect in America is Mormonism.

#2 is R Catholicism.

The Roe Effect is in effect.
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