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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #150 on: November 08, 2012, 01:16:58 AM »
Tommy, EXACTLY - that was the point.  Just like Obama.

So I should get all excited about the fact that politicians do that?
Do you know why Abraham Lincoln was called "Honest Abe?"  Back then politicians used to campaign via trains ... you might recall them doing "whistle stops."  The train would stop at a station and the candidate would stand out on an open platform on the rear of the train and address a crowd, telling them his stand on issues, answering inquiries, so forth.
An intrepid reporter, following Lincoln around, noted he would tell each crowd what he thought they wanted to hear, regardless of whether he contradicted a previous stated position at another stop.  The reporter coined the term "Honest Abe" not because he thought Abe was being ...."honest" but as a sort of irony.

Now, why don't we all put our heads together and find a politician  who doesn't do such things...... [tinfoil]
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #151 on: November 08, 2012, 02:42:20 AM »
Honestly, what I WANT to see is a president that demands every bill show it's Constitutional authority. No such authority listed, automatic veto.

That would cut a LOT of the BS out of it.

> working against that is the way the loons flock to third party candidates and the loons are so loud they become the public face<

Is it that the loons are really that vocal? Or does the media focus on them, to show the thirds in the worst possible light?
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #152 on: November 08, 2012, 08:02:14 AM »
Younger folks, a majority of single women and minorities aren't interested in liberty.

They want wealth and property "spread around" "fairly".

They want government to fill the void left by the lack of nuclear and extended family support structure.

Welcome to the postmodern paradise, it has only just begun.

Boy are you right. Just to paint a picture of where we are at in that "Government filling the void"...

For the Motherland,

For the Fatherland,

For the Homeland.

Family-like allusions towards the State, the great provider and caretaker. Statist socialism, there we were, here we are, dissolving of the "individual" full speed ahead.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #153 on: November 08, 2012, 09:09:11 AM »
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He has posted it in a public forum, well if he was my boss.


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Good luck. There are millions of lawyers waiting to take a case, of they had one they could win.

Wow.  Just wow.  Here I thought APS members were above something like that, even after a disappointing election.

Were I to find out a person got fired for the sole reason of their political beliefs by a member here, I'd feel obligated to let the court of public opinion do the judging.

"Hello, Channel 123 News?  There's this F@^*stain who canned an employee simply because they were a *gulp* Democrat."  

See how many lawyers want to defend your tainted goods after that...  ;/
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #154 on: November 08, 2012, 10:03:38 AM »
I think that everyone is mesmerized by the election and missing the main point, there is more than one nation in these united States and it needs to be dissolved.
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« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2012, 10:30:28 AM »
I think that everyone is mesmerized by the election and missing the main point, there is more than one nation in these united States and it needs to be dissolved.

Good luck with that, it worked out so well the last time.
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« Reply #156 on: November 08, 2012, 12:03:37 PM »
Looks like some folks don't believe business owners ought to be able to hire & fire according to their own un-PC desires...to the point they would interpose themselves, make someone else's business their own business, and seek to monkey wrench the business owner. 

Sweet.

Given that if I express views counter to the prevailing corporate PC orthodoxy at my company I can be fired, I expect such monkey-wrenchers to put in quite a few calls starting yesterday to try and stir up some heat. 

Or not.
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« Reply #157 on: November 08, 2012, 12:05:26 PM »
+1, roo_ster.  Free association is a two way street.
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« Reply #158 on: November 08, 2012, 12:06:06 PM »
Judging from the photos on my Facebook page--which I never go to and just "deactivated"--I thought young people were about orthodonture.  What I see is kids who wanna have fun and believe life is having a perfect smile and "no worries."  What they believe at 20 they will find wanting at 40.  The strong will dominate the pretty.

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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #159 on: November 08, 2012, 12:10:24 PM »
Looks like some folks don't believe business owners ought to be able to hire & fire according to their own un-PC desires...to the point they would interpose themselves, make someone else's business their own business, and seek to monkey wrench the business owner. 

Sweet.

Given that if I express views counter to the prevailing corporate PC orthodoxy at my company I can be fired, I expect such monkey-wrenchers to put in quite a few calls starting yesterday to try and stir up some heat. 

Or not.

Try harder. Your right to hire and fire people may be sacrosanct to me, but so is my right to free speech.
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« Reply #160 on: November 08, 2012, 12:13:17 PM »
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I think that everyone is mesmerized by the election and missing the main point, there is more than one nation in these united States and it needs to be dissolved.

Good luck with that, it worked out so well the last time.

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Eighty are nothing but targets,
Nine are real fighters...
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Ah, but the One, One of them is a Warrior...
and He will bring the others back."

- Heraclitus (circa 500 BC)

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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #161 on: November 08, 2012, 12:17:32 PM »
Try harder. Your right to hire and fire people may be sacrosanct to me, but so is my right to free speech.

Show me where I wrote it was not? 

My point is one of interfering with a man's business and the way he runs it.  More specifically, selective interference in trying to rustle up civil and/or criminal action against the business owner and the hypocrisy for doing do on the basis of some political views but not others.
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« Reply #162 on: November 08, 2012, 12:28:08 PM »
All interference is selective.
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« Reply #163 on: November 08, 2012, 12:47:10 PM »
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His political beliefs and policies curiously changed in sync with each electorate he faced - what're the odds that he developed new views on healthcare and abortion at precisely the same moment he faced primary election by people who would've taken issue with his old beliefs?

A common beef against Romney, and I don't take issue with it. But I'm curious what it has to do with this discussion.

I'm with DeSelby on this one. Romney might be a good honest guy and a good business manager and all but he's a political chameleon. He has a much longer track record than Obama in government, but his track record doesn't differentiate him at all from obama.
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« Reply #164 on: November 08, 2012, 12:55:24 PM »
Balog,

  Thank the Gods you weren't around on April 19, 1775 telling the militias that fighting the Crown was a losing proposition for the first round of secession.

Longeyes,

  Good for you for deactivating FB and now cancel your satellite or cable and you will be good to go.

That's cute. Like I said, good luck fighting that Civil War over again. I'm sure this time will be different.
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« Reply #165 on: November 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM »
Rooster,

Look up the definition of "discrimination" - especially as it applies to the workplace.

We've already got laws on the federal books against employment discrimination for:

  1.  Race
  2.  Sex
  3.  Pregnancy
  4.  Religion
  5.  National origin
  6.  Disability (physical or mental, including HIV status)
  7.  Age (for workers over 40)
  8.  Military service or affiliation
  9.  Bankruptcy or bad debts
 10.  Genetic information
 11.  Citizenship status (for citizens, permanent residents, temporary residents, refugees, and asylees)

They came about as a common-sense approach, and more specifically as a result of employer abuses.

I'd guarantee money that many were only legislated when the abuses were made public, because the employers sure weren't going to effect changes themselves without goading.  

Hiring and firing based on political affiliation, especially when our very democracy is founded on folks having a choice in electing their government, reeks of something unpleasant.

You fire somebody who's an otherwise excellent employee for simply voting the opposite ballot than you, then you are in fact discriminating.  You are enjoying a loophole, nothing else.

That's lower than whale poop in my book. As much as I dislike the liberal mindset, I'd never, ever fire an employee because they voted Republican, Democrat, Wookie, whatever.

The very thought that people here or elsewhere would seriously consider doing so makes me want to start a grass-roots movement to seek out and expose them, and set the ball in motion to add political affiliation to the above list, not unlike other countries.  

Doesn't say much for the quality of Armed Polite Society, which is open to all walks of life, either...
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« Reply #166 on: November 08, 2012, 01:18:24 PM »
I will be the first man to disagree with both of you.

I think discrimination - including on disgusting basis, like race, gender, religion - should be fully legal, that these laws should be abolished, and the people enforcing them left jobless. I am a radical libertarian. This is what I do.

That said, I think discrimination is disgusting, and that it is a legitimate form of activity to speak out publicly against businesses who engage in it, to organize boycotts and peaceful protests of their activity, or to send dueling challenges to their owners.

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« Reply #167 on: November 08, 2012, 01:28:58 PM »

Let's presume that I still ran a business.

Let us also presume that I have five employees.

Let us then inject a change in government policy that hurts my business to the point where I have to lay off two of my guys.

Naturally, I will prefer to lay off the less productive workers, but let's also presume that I've been pretty astute in my hiring and that all five of these guys are really good -- all worthy of retention -- and the difference is too small to measure.

Okay, now it comes down to figuring out whom I shall keep.

Do I keep the guy who attends my church?  Do I keep the guy who's younger because he could be with the company longer?  Do I keep the guy who's older because he is less likely to quit later for a better offer?  Do I keep the guy who thinks more like I do politically?

I will probably sit down with all of them and let them make their case.  "Tough times ahead; are you willing to ride this bronc with us, carry the extra workload, put in extra thankless hours?"

Politics is likely right at the bottom of the pile when it comes to figuring out who can best help me survive the drought.

That said, all other things being equal, that could conceivably be the final difference, but only after everything else has been considered, weighed, and examined.

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Weighing everything, the last straw to go on the balance is politics.  And if it comes down to that, I've already failed somewhere else in my evaluation.
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« Reply #168 on: November 08, 2012, 02:02:01 PM »
Good luck with that, it worked out so well the last time.

We could have let the South go.  I'm not saying we should have, but we could have.

There is no future for the USA as a unified nation with the current trends in place.  Maybe you have a plan for disrupting those trends?
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« Reply #169 on: November 08, 2012, 02:45:09 PM »
We could have let the South go.  I'm not saying we should have, but we could have.

There is no future for the USA as a unified nation with the current trends in place.  Maybe you have a plan for disrupting those trends?

Do you have a plan? And "Just secede" is not a plan, any more than "My budget is off, so I'll make more money" is a plan.
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« Reply #170 on: November 08, 2012, 02:48:44 PM »
Balog,

  Thank the Gods you weren't around on April 19, 1775 telling the militias that fighting the Crown was a losing proposition for the first round of secession.

Longeyes,

  Good for you for deactivating FB and now cancel your satellite or cable and you will be good to go.

I have cable but, frankly, watch it for anything except a few great multi-part shows.  I get my news and information elsewhere.  I never really used FB.  If I want to "broadcast" I'll do it here.
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« Reply #171 on: November 08, 2012, 02:52:17 PM »
Do you have a plan? And "Just secede" is not a plan, any more than "My budget is off, so I'll make more money" is a plan.

Actually, secession IS a plan.  I have never said it would be easy or was inevitable, just that it's the only truly pragmatic plan.  No one said "just secede."  Do you want me to lay out a complete "investment" program for you too?  :)  Okay, here's a free one: the Permanent Portfolio.

But if you think we are going to do anything but collapse with the current policies and the current trends, I believe you are fooling yourself.

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« Reply #172 on: November 08, 2012, 02:53:27 PM »
Actually, secession IS a plan.  I have never said it would be easy or was inevitable, just that it's the only truly pragmatic plan.  No one said "just secede."  Do you want me to lay out a complete "investment" program for you too?  :)  Okay, here's a free one: the Permanent Portfolio.

But if you think we are going to do anything but collapse with the current policies and the current trends, I believe you are fooling yourself.



How are you going to make that secession happen? How are you going to respond to the armed response from the feds?
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« Reply #173 on: November 08, 2012, 02:58:00 PM »

The very thought that people here or elsewhere would seriously consider doing so makes me want to start a grass-roots movement to seek out and expose them, and set the ball in motion to add political affiliation to the above list, not unlike other countries.  


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« Reply #174 on: November 08, 2012, 03:13:58 PM »
 ???

Compared to what, working in a Henry Clay Frick style environment, busting your ass for a wage while knowing you'll be fired by the boss for exercising your right as an American to vote on either ticket?
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