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ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« on: November 22, 2012, 08:02:53 AM »
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1203241

A very interesting study out of Sweden showing that adults with ADHD commit more crimes and that ADHD meds reduce criminal behavior.  The reduction was from 32% for men and 41% for women, which is quite significant.  I wonder how long it will be before the criminal justice system starts trying this out.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 08:09:53 AM »
I wonder how long until an ADHD diagnosis becomes reason for court mandated medication, prior to any wrongdoing?
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 10:40:59 AM »
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 01:04:18 PM »

Yes.

Because humanity suffers from an epic and endemic drug deficiency.

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Spent the last four or five decades ridiculing what works and pushing drugs instead.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 06:43:25 PM »
If the 32 percent reduction is real, I can't fathom an alternative therapy that would even be in the same ballpark.

I don't necessarily think whatever big pharma makes is good for us, but we've known for quite some time that brain chemistry has a lot to do with behaviour. If there's a drug that helps people live well, I say prescribe away.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 07:13:42 PM »
Or we could walk back the society of self absorbed *expletive deleted*ck ups that can't cope with reality because they are shielded as children and taught the entire universe revolves around them. Or that people with minor cases learn to cope rather than being fed happy pills.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 07:53:53 PM »
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1203241

A very interesting study out of Sweden showing that adults with ADHD commit more crimes and that ADHD meds reduce criminal behavior.  The reduction was from 32% for men and 41% for women, which is quite significant.  I wonder how long it will be before the criminal justice system starts trying this out.

What about the fraction of a percent that get turned into Reavers ?   =|
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 09:14:20 PM »
What about the fraction of a percent that get turned into Reavers ?   =|

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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 06:25:58 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 04:09:59 PM »

If the 32 percent reduction is real, I can't fathom an alternative therapy that would even be in the same ballpark.

I don't necessarily think whatever big pharma makes is good for us, but we've known for quite some time that brain chemistry has a lot to do with behaviour. If there's a drug that helps people live well, I say prescribe away.



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It's out there.

Oh, and may I also suggest that "effective" can have different meanings depending on one's frame of reference.  Prefrontal lobotomies were also "deemed effective."  And you have to admit, a guy sitting in a chair drooling isn't out committing crimes.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 04:57:29 PM »
It should not be surprising that adults with ADHD are statistically more likely to commit crimes.

We already know that:

1. A majority of criminals have learning issues, to a point that prisons have distinctly lower literacy and education rates than the rest of the country.

2. ADHD makes it harder for you to learn things, especially the harsher forms of ADHD, and also often makes you hyperactive (thus the name, hyperactivity disorder). Thus, it seems likely that the people who have it are more likely to commit crimes if left untreated.

Does this mean that the state should have the power to force people to take the medicine? Certainly not.

But:

1. People who have the disorder (a fraction of those having attention issues, and probably a fraction of those diagnosed), should be able to have it prescibed and paid by their medical insurance or whoever pays for their medical treatment. In the specific case of people with actual ADHD these medicines are a medical treatment just like anti-depressants with the chronically depressed and antipsychotics with those who require them.

2. Since all drugs should be legal, those having attention issues should have access to these drugs.

3. In general, nootropic (brain enhancement) drugs should be legal.

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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 05:06:26 PM »
Does this mean that the state should have the power to force people to take the medicine? Certainly not.

In some cases, the state does have the power to force people to take medications.  I can think of two offhand that still commonly occur:

Public heath issues, such as TB patients who refuse to take meds. 
Patients who are psychotic and a danger to themselves or others who refuse to take meds, or mentally-ill criminals who are given meds in an attempt to restore them to competency so that they can assist in their own defense.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2012, 05:21:34 PM »
I'm sure there are legitimate reasons sometimes to do so.

But ADHD is so badly-defined, and so many people 'can be said to have it', I cannot imagine anything good coming of forcing people to take ADHD drugs.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2012, 05:27:43 PM »
Can't fathom?  My snarky side wants to suggest that you ought to get out more, but that wouldn't be fair to you.  "Getting out" more won't help you see what has been carefully hidden from you for decades.  Let me therefore suggest that you be a) more inventive in your quest, and b) that you suspend your prejudices during that search.

It's out there.

Oh, and may I also suggest that "effective" can have different meanings depending on one's frame of reference.  Prefrontal lobotomies were also "deemed effective."  And you have to admit, a guy sitting in a chair drooling isn't out committing crimes.

Really?  Suggesting that if true, this would be a good drug to take is the same as worshipping drugs and lobotomies?

To me, an emotional hatred of all mental drug treatment is just as silly as insisting on a pill for every problem.  Let the research and science determine our approach is my view.

And yes, that dramatic an effect isn't possible with other therapies.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2012, 05:51:55 PM »

I'm not even remotely interested in taking any chemical concoction, intended for "mental" applications, purveyed by people who, by their own admission, still don't know how the mind works.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2012, 05:56:42 PM »
Shall we assume you don't drink coffee?
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 05:59:10 PM »

Shall we assume you don't drink coffee?


Funny.

I have a standing lifetime prescription for coffee.  I got it from an old witch doctor when I was much younger.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2012, 12:12:02 AM »

Really?  Suggesting that if true, this would be a good drug to take is the same as worshipping drugs and lobotomies?

To me, an emotional hatred of all mental drug treatment is just as silly as insisting on a pill for every problem.  Let the research and science determine our approach is my view.

And yes, that dramatic an effect isn't possible with other therapies.


Yes.  Science.  Research.  But only such research as is properly blessed.  And we'll use our science to create a diagnostic manual whose contents are the subject of a voting procedure.

And anything that doesn't fit our science model we will kill with fire.  Or at least with ridicule.

Consensus uber alles, with broad latitude for, er, ah, experimentation as needed.

Yup.  Those are the guys I want writing prescriptions.
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Re: ADHD drugs reduce criminal behavior
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2012, 12:39:08 AM »
What is it that you think is being killed by fire???

I don't see how this field of medicine is all that different from others.  I'm not sure I agree with your claim that "they" admit they don't know how the brain works - there has been quite a bit of knowledge built up over the past hundred years in particular.  The effects of stimulants on cognitive skills and behaviour have been and continue to be studied.

Why should that be so objectionable?  And what do you think it is they're ignoring or hiding?

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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2012, 08:53:16 AM »
Maybe I've got cause to be a little extra sensitive on this topic, but whiskey tango foxtrot? Rein this thread in or I'm going to come back after work and issue some pimp slaps.
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2012, 10:16:05 AM »
Uh-oh. Looks like Jamis needs some o' them meds.  :P  :police:
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 02:02:04 PM »

In the interest of conflict reduction, I will not comment further on this.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 02:26:52 PM »
I'm just trying to figure out how all us kids of the fifties and sixties managed to survive (let alone our teachers) without Ritalin etc being forced on us  ???

Most of us even managed to grow up without being mass murderers so far.  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2012, 05:25:03 PM »
With far higher violent crime rates then than there are now?
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2012, 05:30:32 PM »
With far higher violent crime rates then than there are now?



I thought violent crime was about the same then, and the high point was the 70s and 80s.
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