School Shooting at CT Elementary School

[AZRedhawk44]

Did you say NEW YORK PD?  Maybe this is why he is former. 

He looks "former" because he's about 400 pounds and has no neck.  I expected him to say something in Huttese.  There's no way he could pass a physical evaluation as an officer, or chase anyone down.

That being said, he's right in this case.  School/mall/theater shootings happen because they are guaranteed disarmed zones.

[SteveS]

And I would disagree.

It wasn't the parents who told my kids that they had special rights, that "grounding" was child abuse, that hollering at them was abuse, threatening to restrict privileges was abuse, and if we "upset" them we could be reported to the school and the authorities.

Big push on "child rights" which amounted to an abridgement of parental authority.  Oh, yeah, they wanted parents to be involved, as long as "involved" supported the school's policies and objectives.

The state inserted itself between the kids and parents, and yet they continue to blame the parents.

That's messed up.

Oh please.  I guess my kids have never heard anything that ridiculous nor do I know anyone whose kids were told about those "rights."  That isn't even on the same level as parents actually abusing their kids.  I am not talking reasonable discipline, but people having sex with their children or beating them to the point of severe injury.  You know, the kinds of things that actually cause people to become messed up.

[Doggy Daddy]

Got it!

http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/

Thanks.  You do good work.

I've posted it to FB.

[MillCreek]

He looks "former" because he's about 400 pounds and has no neck.  I expected him to say something in Huttese. 

Hilarious!

[wmenorr67]

Earlier today Fox News had a former NYPD detective who is now a private security consultant and he all but said the same thing about needing armed, plain clothes security at minimum in schools.

[lupinus]

Saw that yesterday.

Actually, seeing a surprising amount of the basic sentiment.

[erictank]

Yeah, that's a new trend I see coming out since the Aurora shooting. "LBE ='s Body Armor".... 

They're STILL slinging that line about the vest the idiot in Aurora was wearing being a "bulletproof vest", despite the fact that the receipt for the shooter's internet order was made freaking public. Any moron capable of clicking a link could see quite plainly that the vest in question was plain black nylon and had lots of pockets - AND THAT'S ALL - but that's not sexy enough for the news, when compared to the lie the media will never admit to.

If they can lie about stuff like this, where does that put us?

[Ben]

Sure are a lot of We the People petitions being posted in relation to this. Given the administration's propensity for picking and choosing what they respond to, it will be interesting to monitor responses to these:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

[erictank]

That guy in Aurora wasn't wearing body armor? 

Nope. It was proven to be a ~$100 Blackhawk "tactical vest", with no ballistic properties whatsoever. The receipt for the Internet order was published online - can't remember the site now, unfortunately. This naturally got no play whatsoever with the mainstream media, as it made their statements plain as the lies they were.

[erictank]

Just now on Fox:

Former NYPD detective John Baeza tells the anchor that his solution to school shootings is to eliminate the gun free zones.  

The anchor, stunned, asks him if he means there should be armed guards at schools.  Baeza says that what he's talking about is letting any school staff or others to carry if they want.

Then the anchor asks if the staff should be allowed to use the evil boolits that allowed so many kids to be killed so quick.  Baeza says they should be allowed to use whatever they want.  That if the principal had been armed, she may have been able to stop the whole deal right off.

John Baeza for president!

Holy cow, someone actually deviated from the Allowable Public Talking-Point line?!?  AWESOME!!!

Well done, Mr. Baeza!!

[Hawkmoon]

Holy cow, someone actually deviated from the Allowable Public Talking-Point line?!?  AWESOME!!!

Well done, Mr. Baeza!!

Stealth commentary.

Well done, indeed. You could almost see the two grey cells in the reporter's head colliding as he tried to figure out how to unsay what Mr. Baeza had just said.

[geronimotwo]

i was watching cnn and pierce morgan was pointing to a picture with two hanguns and an ar-15ish rifle.  he kept pointing to the rifle and blathering about it being the reason so many people were killed.  i wonder if he will retract his statements now that we know it was in the car?

now i am hearing the medical examiner is saying that the kids were killed with multiple rifle rounds.      i thought the rifle was left in the car, and only the 2 hanguns were found in the school?

http://news.yahoo.com/conn-school-victims-shot-rifle-multiple-times-205207737.html

[Perd Hapley]

They're STILL slinging that line about the vest the idiot in Aurora was wearing being a "bulletproof vest", despite the fact that the receipt for the shooter's internet order was made freaking public. Any moron capable of clicking a link could see quite plainly that the vest in question was plain black nylon and had lots of pockets - AND THAT'S ALL - but that's not sexy enough for the news, when compared to the lie the media will never admit to.

If they can lie about stuff like this, where does that put us?

Thanks. That's really interesting.

What about the "bullet-resistant leggings" and the other stuff he was supposed to be wearing? Does anyone know what that stuff was? And he was wearing a PASGT helmet, right?

[AZRedhawk44]

WTF?  I heard the rifle was left in the car.

Were there two rifles, perhaps?



And WTF over the Aurora guy, and the supposed armor?  That's good news, I guess.  Though it's troublesome that the commentary has been KPOT, groin protector plate, leggings, vest, et cetera.  Trying to make CCW seem pointless, though that evidently isn't the case at all.

[cambeul41]

Hawkmoon,  reply #135, notes that

You could almost see the two grey cells in the reporter's head colliding as he tried to figure out how to unsay what Mr. Baeza had just said.

You put it well.  The reporters expression was vastly amusing.

[Balog]

If you don't approve of Dear Leader you're obviously ill and need to be sent to the gulag mental hospital until you know the facts.

[Lee]

And you trust the government to draw that line, and not bar me from owning firearms?

What about the shooters who DON'T  show any signs?

Fitz - Almost anything has the potential to be carried to the extreme. One could say that traffic laws lead to gross civil rights violations -and that would be correct sometimes....that doesn't mean that allowing people to drive 100 mph in school zones adds vlaue to our lives, and ensures our freedoms. 
I'd  say that we need to pick the low hanging fruit, and not ignore those that have the most potential, and means, to do stuff like this.  The Aurora shooter is a prime example of this.  If a college campus bans a guy because he's a flippin nut job that everyone is afraid of, and is complaining about - chances are, he should get some attention from the guys in white coats.

[Fitz]

Our leaders know no moderation when it comes to guns. You should expect them to vastly overreach and end up prohibiting folks like me

[erictank]

Thanks. That's really interesting.

What about the "bullet-resistant leggings" and the other stuff he was supposed to be wearing? Does anyone know what that stuff was? And he was wearing a PASGT helmet, right?

I'll have to see if I can find that info again - might be useful to explode some people's ... wrong-headed points of view, by pushing the truth in their faces. I don't have details on the rest of his "armor", because I never looked. Wondering if it was freaking sports gear, frankly, with a paintball "PASGT". I'll post links if I can find it again (or for the first time, as appropriate).

[Hawkmoon]

WTF?  I heard the rifle was left in the car.

Were there two rifles, perhaps?

I'm having the same problem. First there were reports that the school was littered with .223 casings, then the medical examiner saying that all the bodies he examined were killed by multiple rifle shots -- but the police clearly indicated that they recovered "the" Bushmaster from his (mother's) car. However, early on there were conflicting reports of three or four weapons, so perhaps there were two rifles.

[Hawkmoon]

Got it!

http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/

Dunno how long the video will remain available, so I made an attempt at transcribing it, if anyone is interested:

Fox News Interview with retired NYPD Detective John Baeza on Saturday, 15 December 2012::


Commentator:  But as we take a look at the work that still lies ahead for the investigators, what do they have to do?

Baeza:   Well I think what they’re going to try to do is they’re going to try to look for a motive. I mean, that’s what we look for. And there is always a motive. There is always a motive but, if they find one – IF they find one – it may be very, very difficult for anybody to even grasp or to understand. What needs to happen now, and what I really oppose the notion of, is that people want to mourn and I agree with that. I have five children myself. But I also want to be able to take action so that this won’t happen. Three of my children are going to be going to elementary school on Monday. So we need to take some action and, as a police officer, I can tell you that what needs to be done is … these gun-free school zones, that needs to be repealed. We have to have protection there, we have to have the ability for teachers and, you know, people on campuses to be able to defend themselves and to protect these young children.

Commentator:   So what you’re talking about is to have someone who is armed and trained inside every school around the country in the event of something like this happening?

Baeza:   I’m not talking about, you know, necessarily hiring or having a police state, but I’m talking about allowing teachers and, you know, other personnel that work at the school to have the ability to have a weapon. If that principal – and it’s a very tragic incident – but if that principal had a weapon there may have been a chance to save more children, to save her own life. But we need to take this notion of, you know, not taking action now, we really need to take action now, we need to look at this, take action, and do it, because if you look at the mass murders that we’ve had, most of them – the ones that are on TV all the time – they happen in gun-free zones. And this is something we have to learn and we have to protect our children, and I want to protect my three children that are going to elementary school, so that’s very important to … it should be very important to everybody.

Commentator:  Detective, what would you have teachers and educators arm themselves with, and should they have the kind of ammunition that this young man had, that allowed him to kill so many people in three minutes?

Baeza:   Sure they should. Sure they should. They should have any ammunition they could want. I mean, ah, the thing here is, the bottom line is when you talk about ammunition or weapons, the bottom line is they need something. And it could be anything – any type of firearm, to save the children. If you were to give me a magic wand and I could change things, I would give that principal or I would have that principal or some of the teachers armed. It could have saved more of the students and staff that were killed, and it’s very important.

Commentator:  John Baeza is a former New York City police detective, joining us today with his take on this. Very different from what a lot of people around the country, Sir, are thinking. They might listen to your remedy and scratch their heads a little bit, but you certainly come at this from a career in law enforcement, and we appreciate your coming on and sharing your thoughts with us.

Baeza:   Thank you, Rick

[Hawkmoon]

I'm having the same problem. First there were reports that the school was littered with .223 casings, then the medical examiner saying that all the bodies he examined were killed by multiple rifle shots -- but the police clearly indicated that they recovered "the" Bushmaster from his (mother's) car. However, early on there were conflicting reports of three or four weapons, so perhaps there were two rifles.

Update: Just saw a new report that says four HANDGUNS were recovered inside the school, and one AR-15 style "assault weapon" was recovered in the car he drove to the school.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

[Ron]

Confusion and lack of specifics make it easier to manipulate the situation.

[CypherNinja]

I've only heard about a Glock and a Sig so far. If there were more pistols maybe one was an AR based one?

[280plus]

The amount if disinformation put out by the media on this situation is astounding. I saw one outlet call the sig and Glock "revolvers". I got me a good ration of *expletive deleted*it yesterday due to my similar statements on arming and training teachers from some of my "friends" on fB too. Nice to come here and find some common ground.