Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB

[zxcvbob]

But calling them "tiny" just makes them sound OH so much more innocent and vulnerable.

Like fetuses.  Oh, wait...  it's OK to kill those.

[Perd Hapley]

When they talk about "getting weapons of war off the street," should we remind them that the "weapons of war" "on the street" are mainly police dept. ARs, grenade launchers, etc?

[Strings]

OK folks, seriously: do you HAVE to dilute things by constantly bringing up abortion?

You're passionate about the issue. Good for you. But doing that constantly, especially in this discussion (and discussions with antis/fence sitters) just makes getting your point across that much harder

[zxcvbob]

OK folks, seriously: do you HAVE to dilute things by constantly bringing up abortion?

Yes we do, when it fits.  Who better fits the description "tiny, innocent, and vulnerable"?

[Strings]

*sigh*

No, it doesn't fit. It dilutes the discussion at the very least.

I would make the same statement to you if you were arguing banning abortion, and suddenly interjected gun control into it.

You're not even talking "apples to oranges" here. You're talking "apples to potassium metabisulphate"

[Perd Hapley]

Much as I hate to do this, I agree with Strings. 

[zxcvbob]

*sigh*

You're talking "apples to potassium metabisulphate"

Oddly enough, I use potassium metabisulphite* to treat apple slices when drying them.  :)

*_{there's a bisulphate, but I don't think metabisulphate exists}

[longeyes]

If the fetus had the means of self-defense, abortion would quickly become a non-issue.

Give Obama his head and we will all be in the position of the fetus.

[Strings]

*shrug*

Which invalidates my point... how, again?

I'm not saying "Don't be pro-life". Nor am I saying "Don't push for a pro-life agenda". I'm saying "Don't mix it into the current debate".

It dilutes the message of "Guns don't kill, they're just a tool". It also makes it harder to reach out to folks who are fencesitters on RKBA, but have a pro-choice stance.

Let's finish THIS fight, which is currently in play, before moving on to another (which really isn't)

[Monkeyleg]

It's pretty obvious the thread veer here is going to lead to the topic being locked. Abortion threads never last. 

[erictank]

And suicides, perchance?

Any count of firearms-related deaths over about 12K includes suicides, these days. So yes. Suicide is not a problem, unless it's performed with a firearm.

Much as I hate to do this, I agree with Strings. 

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" 

Either that or it's a glitch in the Matrix. Woah.

[birdman]

Any count of firearms-related deaths over about 12K includes suicides, these days. So yes. Suicide is not a problem, unless it's performed with a firearm.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" 

Either that or it's a glitch in the Matrix. Woah.

Also, if you compare suicide rates vs gun ownership in multiple countries or regions, while there IS a positive correlation in firearm suicides (duh) there is little to no correlation with total suicides.

[freakazoid]

It's pretty obvious the thread veer here is going to lead to the topic being locked. Abortion threads never last. 

[brimic]

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/post-newtown-witch-hunt-nra-president-and-members-bombarded-with-death-threats/

[kgbsquirrel]

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/post-newtown-witch-hunt-nra-president-and-members-bombarded-with-death-threats/

So, if owning guns is supposed to be what makes people psychotically violent.... what's their excuse?

[brimic]

So, if owning guns is supposed to make people psychotically violent.... what's the Left's excuse?

I could make the case that most of the mass murderers and assassins in this country,with the noted exception of McVeigh, over the last 50 years had very left leaning points of view.

[brimic]

Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke on gun control...
Read it, its full of win.
Also read the comments by various apparatchiks in Milwaukee government for contrast.
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_22228079/milwaukee-sheriff-calls-armed-school-guards-condemns-gun

[Tallpine]

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/post-newtown-witch-hunt-nra-president-and-members-bombarded-with-death-threats/

So I'm not paranoid.  They really are out to get me 

[AZRedhawk44]

Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke on gun control...
Read it, its full of win.
Also read the comments by various apparatchiks in Milwaukee government for contrast.
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_22228079/milwaukee-sheriff-calls-armed-school-guards-condemns-gun

Statism masquerading under a Tea Party cloak.

Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. called for placing armed tactical officers or security officers "in every school and public place in America," in a commentary piece posted on a tea party website.

 

Just what I want.  A swat ninja giving everyone the stinkeye at the mall, at the schools, on main street, et cetera.

Seeing a swattie out in LBE, plates, carbine and such is going to raise my hackles and make me start giving everyone the stinkeye in return, which is going to raise the swattie's hackles, and he's going to pay more attention to me because I'm behaving differently than everyone else, and he's going to look my body over real close and determine I'm carrying at 9 o'clock on the hip.  Then the hassles begin.  No thank you.


A thousand unseen pistols in unknown locations trumps a couple dozen "tactical operators" spread out onesy-twosy all over the place in an empty feel-good effort to make things look safe with more security theater (and more embedded authoritarianism).

[Ben]

Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke on gun control...
Read it, its full of win.
Also read the comments by various apparatchiks in Milwaukee government for contrast.
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_22228079/milwaukee-sheriff-calls-armed-school-guards-condemns-gun

From the article:

"I don't think anything is served by reacting to it and dividing people as if they were the enemy," Abele said. "Especially when there's public officials, the bar for public comment should be a little higher."

Briiing. Briiiing. Hello pot? Kettle here.

[brimic]

Statism masquerading under a Tea Party cloak.

Actually take some time and google his name and some of the correspondences he's had with various functions of Milwaukee government.
It is both extremely entertaining and will open your eyes. He's one of the good guys.
Most of his public statements are hyperbole aimed at poking at the eyes of libtards that he is vastly outnumbered and surrounded by.

[SADShooter]

He advocated additional security as a SUPPLEMENT to the "thousands of unseen pistols". I'm against government encroachment, too, but that's a bit hyperbolic.

[charby]

she is a hypocrite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1EObqM9Z0s

enjoy

[Hawkmoon]

So, if owning guns is supposed to be what makes people psychotically violent.... what's their excuse?

"It's for the chilllllddddrrrennnn!

[Hawkmoon]

Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke on gun control...
Read it, its full of win.
Also read the comments by various apparatchiks in Milwaukee government for contrast.
http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_22228079/milwaukee-sheriff-calls-armed-school-guards-condemns-gun

From the article:

Milwaukee Mayor Barrett took issue with Clarke's assertion that placing armed tactical officers or security officers in schools and other public places would stop violent acts. He noted the 2009 rampage at Fort Hood in Texas that killed 13 and left more than two dozen others wounded.
"That was a place where they had many guns," Barrett said.

Disinformation. Yes, an Army post has many guns. Locked up where the soldiers can't get at them. The victims of Major Hassan's carnage were unarmed.