E15 fuel released, but no one should use it

[Jamisjockey]

For my example my D model 182 has fuel bladders that it would eat like candy...not to mention the rest of the fuel delivery system, carb and so forth.

True.  Similar problems for boats.  I know more then a few guys with brand new fuel tanks because of it.

[eyebrows]

For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.

That is a awesome idea.
I have a small fleet of minibikes and gokarts and I'm getting sick of draining the tank and cleaning the carb after one sits for a couple months.
A few years ago I would regularly let gas sit for 6+ months and I didn't have all the problems I constantly have now.
Now it seems everywhere sells blended gas and if I crack open a tank thats been sitting for a while it's like it's filled with nasty water and not gas.

[Gewehr98]

Just tanked up last night in Monroe, WI.  E-85 was $2.85/gallon.  Monroe has the big distillery and prices are cheapest at the source.

Love my flex-fuel truck, and I've been thinking about getting a free fuel distiller's license from the Gubmint.

I got a couple 50lb bags of corn from my neighbor, who has a corn stove. 

That's right, a stove that burns corn to keep the house warm.  Not corn cobs, not corn husks, but plain corn kernels.  It burns clean with minimal ash, and is a favorite around these parts. 

One bag's going to my dad to feed the squirrels at his wildlife menagerie, the other's getting converted once my license gets signed off.

[RoadKingLarry]

We filled the wife's Mustang with E10 for $2.85 this morning.

[mtnbkr]

We filled the wife's Mustang with E10 for $2.85 this morning.

E10 (our only choice) in Northern VA is $3.19-$3.3x.

Chris

[Doggy Daddy]

For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.

That 5% by weight or by volume?

[Tallpine]

It's getting pretty bad when adding water to your gas actually improves it 

[Northwoods]

That is a awesome idea.
I have a small fleet of minibikes and gokarts and I'm getting sick of draining the tank and cleaning the carb after one sits for a couple months.
A few years ago I would regularly let gas sit for 6+ months and I didn't have all the problems I constantly have now.
Now it seems everywhere sells blended gas and if I crack open a tank thats been sitting for a while it's like it's filled with nasty water and not gas.

Using phase seperation does work to remove EtOH but doing so will reduce the octane rating.  If you started with 87 you'll wind up with about 84.

[HankB]

. . . I've been thinking about getting a free fuel distiller's license from the Gubmint.

How do they ensure you're distilling fuel and not making moonshine? 

I've been watching the show Moonshiners on the Discovery Channel (Yeah, yeah, I KNOW they're actors on camera and aren't really making moonshine and thumbing their noses at the alcohol people and the IRS) but it seems to me a "free" distiller's license for fuel would have to come with a whole bundle of strings attached.

[RoadKingLarry]

 
With all the crap they've foist on us from the cash for clunkers scam that removed 10s of thousands of serviceable used vehicles from not only the vehicle market but also the used parts market. To forcing a fuel onto the market that is known to be damaging to older vehicles is enough to make a fellow wonder what the true agenda is all about?
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[brimic]

With all the crap they've foist on us from the cash for clunkers scam that removed 10s of thousands of serviceable used vehicles from not only the vehicle market but also the used parts market. To forcing a fuel onto the market that is known to be damaging to older vehicles is enough to make a fellow wonder what the true agenda is all about?

Well they do have to boost sales of GM in order to make the bailout look good.

Off topic a bit.
When .gov gives you lemons, make lemonade.

I have a friend who posts here occasionally, but mostly lurks, who put together a fuel injection system for his '73 Olds drag racing car and tuned it so he could run E85- because its much cheaper to run than the specialty racing fuel that the car normally has to be run on since the E85 has roughly the same octane rating.

[Gewehr98]

Same reason I've considered converting my Shovelhead Harley FXR to E85. 

105 octane and high compression are a match made in heaven.

[Cliffh]

For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.

I use too much gasoline per month to make phase separation viable.  Instead, I go to a station about 25 miles from here that still sells straight gasoline.  He's said he'll continue selling straight gas until the .gov forces him to start mixing.

My brother (a diesel mechanic) suggested using Fuel Medic ( http://fuelmedics.com/ ), the local Husqvarna repair shop suggested Star Tron ( http://mystarbrite.com/startron/ ).  No personal experience with either one.

ETA:  Heard/read somewhere (old-timers kickin' in - probably Amer. Motorcyclist Mag.) the other day that a Calif. CARB official said E15 isn't likely in CA. for 5 years or so.

[Nick1911]

For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.

Wait wait wait.

So you're telling me that when I buy gas, I can preform a simple solubility separation, and end up with both gasoline that is better for my car, and water that contains ethanol alcohol?

So... uhh... Is there anything that denatures the alcohol which is also water soluble.?... 

[Gewehr98]

Yes.  The ethanol distilleries denature their E100 prior to it getting mixed with gasoline to make E10/E15/E85.

I learned that while getting a tour of the distillery in Monroe, WI.

[ArfinGreebly]

Wait wait wait.

So you're telling me that when I buy gas, I can preform a simple solubility separation, and end up with both gasoline that is better for my car, and water that contains ethanol alcohol?

So... uhh... Is there anything that denatures the alcohol which is also water soluble.?... 

Provided your car likes 84-ish octane.

You might need to add an octane booster.

[BryanP]

There's a station a few miles from here that sells no-ethanol gas.  I don't bother for my car, but I do fill up the gas can for the mower there.

[TechMan]

Website that is like gas buddy, but for non-ethanol gas.

http://pure-gas.org/

[erictank]

Website that is like gas buddy, but for non-ethanol gas.

http://pure-gas.org/

No NoVA pure-gas stations at all. I haz a sad.

[mtnbkr]

Yup, but not unexpected.

Chris

[Scout26]

Closest one to me is 37 miles away in Joliet, IL

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

No NoVA pure-gas stations at all. I haz a sad.

bristol is close

[Brad Johnson]

I use too much gasoline per month to make phase separation viable.  Instead, I go to a station about 25 miles from here that still sells straight gasoline.  He's said he'll continue selling straight gas until the .gov forces him to start mixing.

Well, uh, he doesn't have much of a choice on the mixing part given it's done at the refinery, not on a retail-pump basis.  It's blended at the refinery based on regulatory and seasonal requirements.  

Brad

[erictank]

bristol is close

Ummm, actually, you can't GET much further and still be in the state of VA.

D'you mean Bristow? Yeah, that's not too gawdawful far, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to drive 30+ miles to get pure gas.

[mtnbkr]

bristol is close

6hrs west.

Chris