Illinois carry status?

[lee n. field]

A little light weekend reading.

[lee n. field]

It just gets more and more fun with every passing day.

(A.G. Lisa)Madigan Seeks Delay on Concealed Carry Mandate

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has filed a motion with the U.S. Court of Appeals seeking a 30-day delay of a mandate for the state to enact a concealed gun carry law.

In a statement Monday, Madigan says she filed the motion in order to give Gov. Pat Quinn time to review the legislation passed last week.

blah blah blah

They only pissed away five and a half of the six months the court gave them with their theatrics.

[Scout26]

Oh, I do hope the court says "No", or simply ignores her request for 30 days.   

[drewtam]

The response docs are attached here:
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=11659

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=11658

I like the response from Moore's team better (Gura and others). It seemed a little better prepared, especially throwing in this gem to help tear apart the State's argument that the Gov needs time to "review" the bill...

Nor was the Governor a mere bystander to the process of
responding to this Court’s decision. The Governor has been an active
participant in the process leading to passage of the remedial bill.
Defendants argue that the Governor needs more time to consider the
remedial legislation, but they ignore that the Governor closely followed
the legislative process—and took positions on various bills and
amendments within hours of their proposal. Indeed, the Governor 2
wasted no time tweeting his views as the legislation emerged. See, e.g.

https://twitter.com/GovernorQuinn/status/338000476404580353
(last visited June 4, 2013)

(“SB2139 is wrong for #IL. We need strong gun
laws that protect the people of our state & this bill puts public safety at
risk”)

https://twitter.com/GovernorQuinn/status/33800068438 3350788
(last visited June 4, 2013)

(“I will not support this SB2193 and I will
work with members of the #IL Senate to stop it in its tracks”)

https://twitter.com/GovernorQuinn/status/339478339855187969
(last visited June 4, 2013)

(“Sen. @KwameRaoul’s HB183 provides a reasonable
framework that would protect critical gun safety ordinances across
#IL”)

His views—and strategy—are likely quite well-formed.

[drewtam]

Granted. 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=11660

[lupinus]

Why am I not surprised?

[Ron]

The "Machine" will not be trifled with.

In the end we will have to pay big bucks and jump through many hoops to maybe get the right to carry in some places.

[Scout26]

The "Machine" will not be trifled with.

In the end we will have to pay big bucks and jump through many hoops to maybe get the right to carry in some very few places.

FTFY

[lee n. field]

" No further extensions to stay the court’s mandate will be granted."

The Current State of Affairs for RTC in IL

This is the current state of affairs for Right to Carry in IL as we understand it:

The GA has sent the bill to the Governor's desk.
The Gov.  has 60 days from today to sign/veto/or let it sit on his desk -  that would give him a deadline of Aug. 5th.

IL Att. Gen. Lisa has until June 23 to appeal to SCOTUS.

Through all of this, on Tuesday of this week, the  7th circuit court of appeals granted a 30 day extension to the Att. General on the original June 9th deadline when the court has said it will lift the stay on granting our injunction against the current ban.
That extension moves the deadline to a July 9th

Basically, my understanding is they're looking at giving home rule cities an extra wide windows of time to enact local bans on those icky assault rifles.

And here's the full bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/HB/PDF/09800HB0183enr.pdf.

[Ron]

6/6/2013

 

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR’S MESSAGE

As you know last Friday, after years of work the Illinois House and Senate had passed HB0183 with an overwhelming vote.  It is the first concealed carry bill to ever pass the Illinois General Assembly.  The votes in both Houses surpassed the Super Majority requirement by a wide margin.   Even though the bill had passed both houses the June 8th date still existed.  Tuesday, Attorney General Lisa Madigan filed and received a 30 day extension on the June 8th date.  Now we are at a July 8th date.  

The Governor received HB0183 today.   There are four things that can happen.

1. The Governor can sign the bill.

2. The Governor can take no action and in 60 days the bill becomes law but that would push us passed the July 8th day.  It is conceivable the court could grant another extension.

3. The Governor could veto the bill.

4. The Governor could use an Amendatory Veto (AV).   Number 3 and 4 would mean it would be October 22nd before an override of the Governor's veto could happen.

There are a variety of things that can happen in the coming days and months.  What ever happens I assure you the ISRA will do all it can on your behalf.  I'm sure we will have many alerts before this is all over so please keep checking your emails.

I told everyone we are going to have our resolve tested and tested again.  We will never quit fighting and we will never give up.  The Second Amendment is here to stay in Illinois.

Thanks for being a member.

Richard Pearson
ISRA Executive Director

[Scout26]

I'm going to put this here.  Even though it's Virginia, it's only the tip of the iceberg of what we can expect in Illinois.  (90+ day FOID cards anyone?  The law says issue or denied within 30 days.)

[lee n. field]

I'm going to put this here.  Even though it's Virginia, it's only the tip of the iceberg of what we can expect in Illinois.  (90+ day FOID cards anyone?  The says issue or denied within 30 days.)

Even though what's Virginia?  Missing a link to something?

Of course, we'll have to keep on them.  And with what that thing is supposed to cost, they darn well ought to have enough money to be prompt.

[Scout26]

Whoops, forgot to hit "paste".

http://www.examiner.com/article/petersburg-va-circuit-court-clerk-backs-down-to-gun-group

[lee n. field]

Writ of mandamus.  Bwa-ha-ha!

I can see an ongoing need for an "Illinois Citizen's Defense League".

[Scout26]

Yep, and sadly the ISRA ain't it.  It's the old boys club, and folks with new ideas need not apply.  Same officers and directors for going on, what 20 plus years now?  I like the fire of IllinoisCarry.com, but the signal to noise ratio is real low, little info, lots of opinions. 

Meanwhile: Little Lisa asks the Supreme's to kick the can down the road a little further.  Keeps her out of the current impasse with Quinn and signing it.  Methinks that if she ever has to go back to the 7th Circuit CA on a gun case, they might be a tad upset with her.

Here's the money quote:

It also keeps her out of the debate, of course.

http://capitolfax.com/2013/06/17/ag-madigan-wants-second-concealed-carry-appeals-extension-with-us-supreme-court/

[lee n. field]

The games continue.

(Six Seven or eight county SAs (so far) announce that they will not prosecute.)

[Perd Hapley]

(Six Seven or eight county SAs (so far) announce that they will not prosecute.)

Link is no work.

[lee n. field]

should work now

[lee n. field]

[Perd Hapley]

I'm not eager to test this out, but I wonder how that would work out for a Missourian who crosses over into Madison County while strapped.

[AZRedhawk44]

They gonna further subdivide it into school districts, or voting precincts?

Those are tiny counties.  A person might be able to hold his breath and drive across one and not pass out, in some of their cases.

In today's travel standards, the notion of the State having any bearing on a person's legality when engaged in victimless non-crime is laughable, let alone the county. 

[drewtam]

Context of the map:
Illinois's ban on open and concealed carry was ruled UnCon by Fed court.
The execution of that court's decision is delayed until July 9th now.
This unusual behavior by the court has left Illinois in legal limbo. The Law is on the books, decided its UnCon, but that decision is not in effect. Theoretically, one can be arrested for the felony of CC, but then file for motion to dismiss on same grounds as Moore (and appeal all the way up to the necessary level if you don't get the dismissal).

Due to the awkwardness and politics of this transition period, some State's Attorneys and Sheriffs have taken it upon themselves to publicly declare they will NOT enforce the concealed carry ban until a transition law is passed or the legal landscape otherwise changes.

This map shows which counties have made a declaration one way or another.

[lee n. field]

I'm not eager to test this out, but I wonder how that would work out for a Missourian who crosses over into Madison County while strapped.

Heh heh.  Good question.  No FOID.

You'd probably be OK, with your Missery CCW, but if anyone's thought this through far enough to answer your question, I've not heard of it.

Oh, yeah.  The statspoletzi will still arrest.

[lee n. field]

They gonna further subdivide it into school districts, or voting precincts?

Those are tiny counties.  A person might be able to hold his breath and drive across one and not pass out, in some of their cases.

Not that d*** tiny.  It may not be up to texican scale, but this isn't one of those east cost glorified parking lots.  The state's 400 miles end to end.

In today's travel standards, the notion of the State having any bearing on a person's legality when engaged in victimless non-crime is laughable, let alone the county. 

Well, yeah.

[RoadKingLarry]

Not that d*** tiny.  It may not be up to texican scale, but this isn't one of those east cost glorified parking lots.  The state's 400 miles end to end.

Well, yeah.

I put almost 400 miles on my work truck last night.