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An Oklahoma man who caught a burglar breaking into his home wasn't content to simply scare the criminal away; instead, the man bum-rushed the burglar, pinned him to the ground, hogtied him, and left him in the front yard for police to find because the homeowner was late for work.

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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2013, 04:11:52 PM »
Charges filed for endangering the poor burglar in 3, 2, 1...
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2013, 04:44:05 PM »
Actually if you watch the videos, the police don't go to work.  They just stand around because he's a tweaker and they don't want to let the BSC loose.

ETA:  I re-read your title.  Yes, the man who tied said tweaker went to work.  Police still just stand around for awhile.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 04:47:57 PM »
Charges filed for endangering the poor burglar in 3, 2, 1...

Kidnapping or something like that
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2013, 05:07:55 PM »
Burglar wasn't inside the house.

He threw a chair through a window, and the homeowner confronted the burglar on the lawn.

Hogtie-ing happened outside.  Bumrush happened outside.  Sounds like criminal was fleeing scene.

It isn't self defense.

Since the guy wasn't inside the house, it isn't burglary.  Closest thing you can charge him with is aggrevated property damage of some sort (along with trespass), not sure if that rises above misdemeanor to felony.  If it ain't a felony, using force to stop it is some legally dangerous stuff to do.  Blinds were closed on the window he broke so there is no way to demonstrate intent to harm a particular person (rising to assault and self defense issues).

The only thing the homeowner has going for him right now is the fact that this happened in Oklahoma rather than New York or California.  Better hope he has a more old fashioned DA in that area.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 05:32:22 PM »
At least in Ohio, the burglary has begun when force is used on the structure to initiate the trespass.  Could do at least attempted Burglary, still a felony.

Looks like Mr. Cole wasn't hurt, more than a rope burn or two.  If the prosecutor is an elected official, the homeowner won't be charged...public opinion won't allow it.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2013, 09:50:13 PM »
The Tulsa DA, Tim Harris, is a liberal, anti-gun, anti-self defense, statist POS. However I doubt that the home owner will face any charges due to the local popularity of his actions. Although it would not surprise me to see charges or a civil suit filed but if it that happens and it goes to a jury the guy will not get convicted.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM »
At least in Ohio, the burglary has begun when force is used on the structure to initiate the trespass.  Could do at least attempted Burglary, still a felony.

Looks like Mr. Cole wasn't hurt, more than a rope burn or two.  If the prosecutor is an elected official, the homeowner won't be charged...public opinion won't allow it.

Hyup.  Breaking a window to gain access to a house for the purpose of committing another crime is first degree burglary.  That's in the 5-15 range, IIRC.  Say hi to Doug at LARC for me.

The homeowner making an arrest is legal there, as long as he didn't use unnecessary force, delay in turning over the idiot to the police, etc.  Wrestling a math-head is kind of a dirty business, so 'necessary' force is anything this side of chucking the s***bird in a wood chipper.  Not that I would care about that, except for the smell and wanton destruction of a wood chipper.  Probably should have shot him, but I understand if he didn't want to clean that out of the carpet.

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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2013, 11:13:10 PM »
He personally witnessed a felony?  [voice="Gomer Pyle"] Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest! [/voice]  Legal, but dangerous -- and not just from the criminal.  The police don't appreciate you doing their job, and prosecutors don't like citizens "taking the law into their own hands"
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013, 10:32:12 AM »
Burglar wasn't inside the house.

Yeppers, he was.  The homeowner caught him as he was coming out.


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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 10:33:04 AM »
You know, we can second guess his actions all day long and ponder whether charges will be brought, suits filed, etc. But the most important fact here is that the homeowner did what needed to be done then went about his business. And good for him, regardless of the outcome - that's an important part of integrity and honor: doing the right thing, regardless of the consequences.

Part of the problem in this country is that we've begun (as a society) to let the potential or possible consequences make us second guess ourselves, prohibit us from doing the right thing, and sway our better judgement.

I would rather stand up for myself, protect my family and/or property, and have to deal with possible problems later, than let a criminal succeed in his efforts at causing harm, or let the government infringe on my rights. If every single person in this country stood up for themselves when faced with bad guys in any of their varied forms, we wouldn't be in most of the mess we're in right now.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2013, 11:05:06 AM »
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If every single person in this country stood up for themselves when faced with bad guys in any of their varied forms, we wouldn't be in most of the mess we're in right now need very many cops.

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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2013, 01:44:47 PM »
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Part of the problem in this country is that we've begun (as a society) to let the potential or possible consequences make us second guess ourselves, prohibit us from doing the right thing, and sway our better judgement.

While I don't really go for the grand conspiricy thing I do think that the direction we are being pushed as outlined by Mrs. Smith is deliberate. Part of the whole war on independence and self sufficiency.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 08:37:34 AM »
You know, we can second guess his actions all day long and ponder whether charges will be brought, suits filed, etc. But the most important fact here is that the homeowner did what needed to be done then went about his business. And good for him, regardless of the outcome - that's an important part of integrity and honor: doing the right thing, regardless of the consequences.

Part of the problem in this country is that we've begun (as a society) to let the potential or possible consequences make us second guess ourselves, prohibit us from doing the right thing, and sway our better judgement.

I would rather stand up for myself, protect my family and/or property, and have to deal with possible problems later, than let a criminal succeed in his efforts at causing harm, or let the government infringe on my rights. If every single person in this country stood up for themselves when faced with bad guys in any of their varied forms, we wouldn't be in most of the mess we're in right now.


This...

...is what bothers me about this:

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While I don't really go for the grand conspiricy thing I do think that the direction we are being pushed as outlined by Mrs. Smith is deliberate. Part of the whole war on independence and self sufficiency.

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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »
The Tulsa DA, Tim Harris, is a liberal, anti-gun, anti-self defense, statist POS. However I doubt that the home owner will face any charges due to the local popularity of his actions. Although it would not surprise me to see charges or a civil suit filed but if it that happens and it goes to a jury the guy will not get convicted.

Wow that is being nice.
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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 03:00:40 PM »
Wow that is being nice.


Well, it is a public forum ;/

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Re: Man Hogties Burglar and Leaves Him in Yard for Police, Goes to Work
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 12:53:26 PM »

This...

...is what bothers me about this:


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