CA amber alert, mom and little boy killed. Girl missing. Kidnapped or?

[gunsmith]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/10/authorities-warn-kidnapping-murder-suspect-may-have-homemade-explosives/?test=latestnews

16 year old girl the media is saying she is kidnapped but I'm suspicious.
Mom? dead. Little brother? dead.

Many 16 yrs old kids, boys or girls have that fantasy at one time or another.

Of course, its most likely she is being held against her will but she has travelled from soCal to Idaho with him...can't figure out anyway to get away or leave a note or look out a car window and mouth "help"?

[MillCreek]

This has been in our local media since the couple is apparently in a wilderness area in Idaho.  They were seen by some horse packers, and the woman did not appear to be in distress.  I wonder if she went willingly.

[T.O.M.]

Been hearing some speculation she is a willing and equal participant in all of this.

[Hawkmoon]

Been hearing some speculation she is a willing and equal participant in all of this.

God, I hope not.

Losing his wife and son is terrible enough for the father. I can't imagine what he'll feel like if he finds out his daughter was a voluntary co-conspirator.

Even if the girl did voluntarily run off with the scumbag, why was it necessary to kill the mother and boy? The guy was a trusted friend of the family -- surely it would have been possible for him to just meet up with the girl somewhere and take off. There are some missing pieces here, IMHO.

[French G.]

If it comes out that the girl was the mastermind this will not be my surprised face.

[Hawkmoon]

I read an updated article citing a close friend of the girl. The friend said the young lady was aware of the guy's "interest" in her and was creeped out by it, but didn't know how to tell someone she didn't want to be around him.

Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. Idaho has plenty of wilderness, but there are a LOT of people out looking, and I imagine sooner or later they'll put up some sort of aircraft (or drone) with heat vision, and that'll be the end of the game.

[BobR]

I imagine sooner or later they'll put up some sort of aircraft (or drone) with heat vision,

Especially if you can keep people out of the area.

Now, Idaho State Police are stationed at Burnt Log Road telling recreationalists they can’t go farther.

While police work they face many challenges because this area is secluded.

“Communication is another challenge, of course, though we are prepared with as much technology as we possibly can, satellite phones, things like that,” said Dearden.

But as the weekend also brings out Idahoans who like to recreate in the backcountry, a word of caution is issued by law enforcement.

“You may hit a checkpoint, that’s right, I said that we’ll make sure that everyone’s safe. As things progress or as the search heads in different directions, that can change, safety being our top priority.  We will make sure we don’t put anybody in harm’s way,” said Dearden.

http://www.krem.com/news/219114411.html

How well does the forest diffuse heat signatures?

bob

[Stand_watie]

Especially if you can keep people out of the area.

http://www.krem.com/news/219114411.html

How well does the forest diffuse heat signatures?

bob

Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if Idaho had several million human sized heat signatures running about in the forest. Hope they catch the bad guy(s) soon, but no guarantee that technology will quickly distinguish between human and nature.

[Tallpine]

Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if Idaho had several million human sized heat signatures running about in the forest. Hope they catch the bad guy(s) soon, but no guarantee that technology will quickly distinguish between human and nature.

Oh, deer!

[vaskidmark]

A friend of Hannah Anderson claimed the girl was "creeped out" by a crush the suspect had on her. The friend said DiMaggio explained that he didn't want the girls to think he was weird in an effort to defend himself after noticing he and the teen exchanged glances. She said he spoke while driving them home from a high school gymnastics meet a couple months ago.

A neighbor also told Fox5SanDiego.com that Hannah was afraid of DiMaggio and did not want to be around him anymore, but 'she didn't know how to tell anyone.'

That last is not as strange/contradictatory as it may seem to be.  There is a whole lot of socialization going on that indoctrinates children, especially teenage girls, to avoid "hurting someone's feelings" by rejecting them.  The formation and operation of cliques by teen girls further reinforces this, as it drives home an understanding of how terrible it is to be rejected.  Couple that with the indoctrination girls are exposed to regarding having a boyfriend of any sort as opposed to not being good enough to get even a creepy boyfriend.

Teen girls are wonderful at mouthing all the correct platitudes and parroting the approved "slogans" about self esteem and autonomy, but according to many studies fail miserably in carrying those out in real life.  The angst we make fun about is often all too real for the youngster going through it.  Society's stereotypical response to behaviors driven at least partially by raging hormones does nothing to bring about a positive response.  On the other hand, being understanding and supportive seems to do little for bringing about a positive response.  Is it any wonder that from the time before there were convents parents - especially fathers - thought banishing their daughters to one for the pre- and teen years was one of the best ideas ever?

stay safe.

[Stand_watie]

Oh, deer!

The most numerous sure, but doesn't Idaho also have coyotes and black bear and mountain lions? They certainly have many large pet dogs, and a few large feral dogs. I'm sure people more familiar than me with Idaho wildlife can add or detract from this, but yes my first thought was that a deer huddled under a tree would make about the same heat signature as a person.

On the plus side, maybe we can flush out the Idaho "Squatches".

[Jamie B]

God, I hope not.

Losing his wife and son is terrible enough for the father. I can't imagine what he'll feel like if he finds out his daughter was a voluntary co-conspirator.

Even if the girl did voluntarily run off with the scumbag, why was it necessary to kill the mother and boy? The guy was a trusted friend of the family -- surely it would have been possible for him to just meet up with the girl somewhere and take off. There are some missing pieces here, IMHO.

Yea, same here

There seem to be a lot of missing pieces

It seems the horse riders they passed said she seemed fine - makes one wonder...

[gunsmith]

redacted. I'm pretty dumb sometimes

[Tallpine]

Fox Breaking News Banner:

MISSING CALIFORNIA TEEN HANNAH ANDERSON FOUND SAFE, SUSPECTED ABDUCTOR KILLED, POLICE SAY

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/10/authorities-warn-kidnapping-murder-suspect-may-have-homemade-explosives/?test=latestnews#ixzz2bcIT6Slz

[Jamie B]

Tallpine beat me to the punch!

[Cliffh]

Fox Breaking News Banner:

MISSING CALIFORNIA TEEN HANNAH ANDERSON FOUND SAFE, SUSPECTED ABDUCTOR KILLED, POLICE SAY

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/10/authorities-warn-kidnapping-murder-suspect-may-have-homemade-explosives/?test=latestnews#ixzz2bcIT6Slz

Not saying he should or shouldn't have been put down.  But, another one???

Now-a-days it's *not good* to be a suspect.

[æg151337]

Not saying he should or shouldn't have been put down.  But, another one???

Now-a-days it's *not good* to be a suspect.

no need to jump to conclusions, no details on the circumstances have been released yet.

[æg151337]

God, I hope not.

Losing his wife and son is terrible enough for the father. I can't imagine what he'll feel like if he finds out his daughter was a voluntary co-conspirator.

Even if the girl did voluntarily run off with the scumbag, why was it necessary to kill the mother and boy? The guy was a trusted friend of the family -- surely it would have been possible for him to just meet up with the girl somewhere and take off. There are some missing pieces here, IMHO.

Even though she wasn't being held does not mean that she was not under duress. They where in the woods, no where to run for long depending on her athletic ability. She may have chose to cooperate and walk freely rather than tied and escorted.

I've read about some people believing that she could have been a co-conspirator, but I don't think it's likely. Running off with an older man is one thing. Helping him murder your mother and younger brother requires some sadistic rational. Could just be Stockholm syndrome.
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Just a post i was too lazy to re-type from my calguns account.

[æg151337]

it was a response to someone stating that the hikers claimed she didn't look like she was in distress.

[Jamisjockey]

Found.  He was shot and killed apparently by the FBI>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/10/hannah-anderson-found_n_3737991.html

[Hawkmoon]

Wait ...

A contingent of about 270 law enforcement officers from the FBI, the Valley and Ada County sheriffs' offices, Idaho State Police, the U.S. Marshals Service, and the Border Patrol, aided by experts from federal land management and wildlife agencies, worked around the clock to figure out the best way to track DiMaggio and the teen in the roadless area.

The Border Patrol?

The location is hundreds of miles south of the Canadian border. WTF was the Border Patrol doing there? Even if there is a legitimate reason for BP personnel to be working that far south of the border, recovery of kidnap hostages is not part of the Border Patrol's mission, but I want to know why they were even in the region.

On another note, the article refers to it as a "roadless area," yet every photo or video I've seen of the LEOs working the search shows pickup trucks and SUVs on dirt roads. This is a demonstration of the Clinton admin's "roadless wilderness" initiative, wherein they created "roadless" wilderness areas by the simple expedient of erasing the lines representing long-standing and well-established roads from the maps. "There, see? There are no roads, so it must be wilderness."

[Perd Hapley]

Wait ...

The Border Patrol?

The location is hundreds of miles south of the Canadian border. WTF was the Border Patrol doing there? Even if there is a legitimate reason for BP personnel to be working that far south of the border, recovery of kidnap hostages is not part of the Border Patrol's mission, but I want to know why they were even in the region.

The guy drove from California to Idaho, right? A few hundred miles wouldn't have been much for this guy. It seems reasonable to at least consult the Border Patrol about possible routes across the border.

[Boomhauer]

Speaking as someone who does this kind of stuff for a living, if you have assets available, you use them. Period. Certain agencies can provide certain useful skills (Border patrol trackers, for example) that are right damn helpful, plus stuff like skilled ATV operators, air assets, etc are not found in every agency or in quantity. Getting your panties in a wad about that is stupid.

 

[Tallpine]

"Roadless areas" are those vast empty spaces on the map between the interstate highways 

[Ben]

CBP seems to have all the cool drones and the COAs to fly them as well.