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« on: August 24, 2006, 08:25:41 AM »
I have some views on this, but I'm interested your response.

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U.S. OKs spray to kill food bacteria
Baltimore firm wins FDA nod for mix of beneficial viruses
 
By Jonathan D. Rockoff and Hanah Cho
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August 19, 2006

WASHINGTON -- A Baltimore company received yesterday the first permission that federal food regulators have ever granted for killing a common but sometimes deadly bacteria with a mixture of viruses added to foods.

The mixture of six viruses, developed by Intralytix Inc., aims to sharply reduce the 500 deaths and 2,500 illnesses caused in Americans each year by exposure to the bacteria often present in some uncooked meats and poultry. After four years of review, the Food and Drug Administration said the antimicrobial combination was safe and works in deli meats and other ready-to-eat foods.

John Vazzana, chief executive officer of Intralytix, described the approval of the mixture as a "huge milestone" in the fight against bacteria and antibiotic-resistant bacteria that cause food-borne illnesses. The viruses, he said, "are very specific, and they won't kill or destroy any other organism that is there. The only thing they will do is kill their target bacteria."

The combination of viruses that Intralytix developed kills various strains of the Listeria monocytogenes bacteria, a widely occurring microbe that especially sickens pregnant women, their fetuses and adults with weakened immune systems.

Before final processing, food manufacturers would spray the mixture on sliced ham, turkey and other foods that usually aren't cooked or reheated before eaten. Cooking and reheating, as well as processing, kills the Listeria bacteria, but foods can become contaminated after processing or even while sitting in a refrigerator.

Judged safe, effective
Consumers shouldn't notice any difference in the taste or color of foods sprayed with the mixture of bacteriophages, as the bacteria-killing viruses are called, the FDA said. Also, the agency found Intralytix's recipe safe and effective even among men in their 20s, who eat the largest quantities of ready-to-eat foods and consequently would ingest the largest amounts of the viruses.

Doug Gurian-Sherman, a senior scientist at the Center for Food Safety, a nonprofit public advocacy group based in Washington, said bacteriophages were safely used in the Soviet Union to kill bacteria during surgeries and other medical treatments. He said the only possible harm he could envision from the viruses' use as a food additive was allergic reactions in some people.

"But that's always an issue, and we are exposed to these things all of the time," he said. "I generally wouldn't be concerned about it."

In its application for FDA approval, Intralytix said it would purify the viruses during manufacture to reduce any potential for allergic reactions. An FDA review of studies on the company's combination of viruses, completed earlier this year, found that they were safe and effective, including for children. The U.S. Department of Agriculture will provide additional regulation, monitoring its actual use in foods.

"As long as it is used in accordance with the regulations, we have concluded it's safe," said Andrew J. Zajac, of the FDA's office of food additive safety.

The illness caused by the Listeria bacteria carries flu-like symptoms, such as fever, muscle aches and sometimes, stomach pains. It can lead to severe headaches, a stiff neck, loss of balance and convulsions.

Food manufacturers have been searching for additives that would target Listeria, Salmonella and other bacteria that sicken consumers. They have relied on antibiotics to kill bacteria, but the microbes have developed resistance to some of those drugs.

Although the incidence of listeriosis is rare among the 76 million food-borne illnesses contracted each year, it's responsible for a disproportionately large percentage of hospitalizations and for many deaths.

Since 1987, regulators have been sampling ready-to-eat foods for the bacteria, but the sampling process destroys the product and thus can't be widely applied, according to the American Meat Institute, an industry association.

Perdue's part
Julie DeYoung, a spokeswoman for Perdue Farms in Salisbury, said the chicken processor would consider using Intralytix's mixture. "The industry is always looking for more effective ways to control pathogens in the processing environment," she said.

Perdue awarded $1 million to Intralytix to spur the development of viruses that would fight Listeria and Salmonella, Vazzana said.

Based in Camden Yards, Intralytix was founded in 1998 to develop viruses that would attack antibiotic-resistant bacteria in humans, Vazzana said. The company, which has 12 employees, finished developing the anti-Listeria mixture in 2001 and asked the FDA to approve it in 2002. It has licensed the product for marketing and sale to another company, which Vazzana declined to disclose.

In the next year or so, Vazzana said, Intralytix plans to seek FDA approval for bacteriophage products against E. coli and Salmonella.

Source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bz.fda19aug19,0,6795062.story?track=rss
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2006, 08:38:55 AM »
Its clever, but worrisome.  

Arent viruses essentially semi-living RNA strands that molecularly bond to cells and propagate themselves?  Thus becoming parasitic organisms?  

I only took undergraduate biology courses, and that was some time ago.  But, if I recall correctly, viruses mutate quite rapidly.

I wonder if our knowledge is sufficient to monkey around with this&
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 08:44:36 AM »
great, more crap to screw up our food and steralize our immune systems.

I wonder how people used to survive past the age of two without all this crap for thousands of years
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 08:58:17 AM »
I think it's actually a government mind control experiment to make us give all of our oil to the Old Congresscritter Retirement Home, Brothel, and Casino.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 10:20:11 AM »
The Russians have been using phages forever for medical uses... don't see the issue, as long as this is THOROUGHLY TESTED.

Whoops, they mentioned that. I should probably do better than skim Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 10:27:07 AM »
Bacteria are more akin to plant cells than animal, so a virus that's deadly to bacteria is no more likely to harm humans than antibiotics.

The molecular mechanisims in the virus to penetrate cell walls are usualy very specific to the species, or at least a phylum. Bacteria are about as far away from human as you can get.

This is an extension of "phage therapy". The former Soviet Union, and now Russia have championed this for years as an alternative to antibiotics, and to combat bacterial resistance. In essence, go find the virus that kills the bacteria that are giving you grief, and it self-replicates wiping the bacterial infection out.

The odds of the bacteria virus mutating into something harmful to humans is astronomicaly small, it would be like a crab spontaneously evolving into a chicken. The odds of you catching a pre-existing human virus instead are millions of times higher.

This is a very good thing, because antibiotic resistance is growing around the world. And as the viruses mutate normaly to keep up with the host organisim, they naturaly do the work that takes a drug company billions of dollars to do with an antibiotic. The west was resistant to working on phage therapy, because they can't patent natural viruses that exist in nature. No profit, no production.

(Not slamming for-profit medicine, phage thereapy not withstanding, I'll take U.S. healthcare over any other any day of the year&)
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006, 10:48:04 AM »
Nothing new here, we have been using organisms to kill other organisms since the start of the use of antibiotics and vaccines.

Insulin is for diabetics is produced from bacteria, used to harvest it from bovine and porcine before then (well still comes from this source).

Out of all the microorganisms, the 12 million or so, a very minuscule percentage are human pathogens.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 10:48:34 AM »
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I wonder how people used to survive past the age of two without all this crap for thousands of years
A great deal of them didnt.


I am against the whole sterile food thing, but its important to know the facts.

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 10:52:37 AM »
"I am against the whole sterile food thing..."

Stop by my house. I have some *expletive deleted*it in the back of the fridge that you're more than welcome to... Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 12:14:07 PM »
Good idea in theory?  Absolutely.  Do I wanna volunteer to be a "test subject" to eat the food that's been "sterilized" by this bacteriophage soup?  Not a chance..
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 12:21:16 PM »
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great, more crap to screw up our food and steralize our immune systems.

I wonder how people used to survive past the age of two without all this crap for thousands of years
Many folks didn't survive without all this crap.  It's these very same sorts of "crap" that have increased lifespans and quaility of living.  

I wonder if people said the same thing 100 years ago when they discoved that certain molds could cure bacterial diseases.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 12:37:41 PM »
Well said AJ!

This is a good program. Viruses are handy for this kind of dirty work. On our current path we're going to run out of viable antibiotic treatments in no time. Gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling like they must have had during the Dark Ages...
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2006, 03:05:16 AM »
This one will be paying the premium for organics.

The history of adulterated vaccines, and other concoctions among the corporate labs is appalling. I won't be consuming their new viruses.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2006, 06:02:13 AM »
"It's these very same sorts of "crap" that have increased lifespans and quaility of living."

Bingo.

Antibiotics are widely credited as producing the single greatest leap in average lifespan in the history of human kind.

In 1930 the average lifespan was about 50.

A generation later it was moving towards 70 VERY fast.

It wasn't all antibiotics, though (granted, most of it was).

Perversely, scientific advances in food sciences and the tremendous rise in the standard of living for most Americans, both directly caused by World War II, also contributed significantly.

Within a generation or two, if we don't do something about bacterial resistance, you're going to start seeing that lifespan slip badly as bacteria come roaring back.
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2006, 06:15:47 AM »
but Mike, the incidences of alzheimers, heart disease, and cancer would plummet Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2006, 09:56:09 AM »
Why spike chow with a virus when it can be irradiated & it'll kill viruses, bacteria, & prions?

Wha I want is a combo vacuum food sealer/irradiator.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2006, 10:20:50 AM »
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Why spike chow with a virus when it can be irradiated & it'll kill viruses, bacteria, & prions?
Don't think it destroys prions since they are pieces of proteins. Plus irradiation doesn't always kill all the pathogens, just knocks them down to level where if eaten in a timely manor after irradiation will not hurt you.

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What I want is a combo vacuum food sealer/irradiator.
anaerobic environment.. yeah to botulism, that stuff just loves a vacuum environment, the pathogen won't kill you but the toxin it produces will and no matter how long you cook it, the toxin still stays there. Hence why there is expiration dates on vacuum sealed foodstuff.


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