The Tea Party and the GOP Crack-up

[MillCreek]

http://dailyme.com/story/2013101600000206/william-galston-the-tea-party-and-the-gop-crackup

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303376904579135231053555194

See if you can click through and read the full story.  I suspect a whole lot of people on this board would identify with the positions described.

[Ben]

I thought it was a good read. I don't know that I self-identify as part of the Tea Party, but I would have no problem being labeled a Jacksonian. I'd argue that Jacksonians don't see immigrants as a burden on the country as the article states, but rather see illegal  immigrants that come here for benefits, (vs those both legal and illegal that come here to work), as the burden.

[Sergeant Bob]

I'd argue that Jacksonians don't see immigrants as a burden on the country as the article states, but rather see illegal  immigrants that come here for benefits, (vs those both legal and illegal that come here to work), as the burden.

That was my biggest disagreement with the article.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Heard they made a deal. GOP sold out
http://socialreader.com/me/content/0Plth?chid=76914&utm_source=editorial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=srfan

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[brimic]

Heard they made a deal. GOP sold out
http://socialreader.com/me/content/0Plth?chid=76914&utm_source=editorial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=srfan

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*expletive deleted*ck you boehner, as well as the rest of you rinos!

[TommyGunn]

Heard they made a deal. GOP sold out
http://socialreader.com/me/content/0Plth?chid=76914&utm_source=editorial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=srfan

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*expletive deleted* you boehner, as well as the rest of you rinos!

Well, THAT'S what happens when you try to lead from the butt end of the political power structure.
Try pushing a string if you need an analogy.

[Tallpine]

So the Senate is initiating appropriations, now 

[brimic]

So the Senate Politburo is initiating appropriations, now

Fixed that for you.

[brimic]

Well, THAT'S what happens when you try to lead from the butt end of the political power structure.
Try pushing a string if you need an analogy

Checks and balances, bitches.
Pelosi had a bigger set of balls than boehner and knew what she wielded in the House.
All spending bills must originate in the House.

[AZRedhawk44]

So the Senate is initiating appropriations, now 

They'll take the language from some House bill dealing with international puppy abuse or similar twaddle, strip the text and make it match the Senate bill.  That way it "originated" in the House.

[AZRedhawk44]

Who is on the reconciliation committee between the House and Senate?  Is it a bunch of Bhoener beholden neocons, or are the libertarian/tea-party interests represented adequately there?

[brimic]

Who is on the reconciliation committee between the House and Senate?  Is it a bunch of Bhoener beholden neocons, or are the libertarian/tea-party interests represented adequately there?

By the precise wording of your question, I can tell you already know the answer.

[roo_ster]

I thought it was a good read. I don't know that I self-identify as part of the Tea Party, but I would have no problem being labeled a Jacksonian. I'd argue that Jacksonians don't see immigrants as a burden on the country as the article states, but rather see illegal  immigrants that come here for benefits, (vs those both legal and illegal that come here to work), as the burden.

Sorry, a good portion of legal immigrants are dead weight.  Two big poles in that tent are:
1. Family Reunification: Bringing in the old folks who soon qualify for a bundle of goodies, aswell as others more able-bodied.
2. Refugee Scam: Likely the majority of these folks are scammers, taught which buttons to push and atrocities to claim.  All unverifiable, of course.

Also, the vast majority of legal immigrants to the USA are from third-world countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Origin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Contemporary_immigration

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Inflow of New Legal Permanent Residents, Top Five Sending Countries, 2012

Country 2012 Region 2012
Mexico 146,406 Americas 407,172
China 81,784 Asia 429,599
India 66,434 Africa 107,241
Philippines 57,327 Europe 81,671
Dominican Republic 41,566 All Immigrants 1,031,631
Most are very, very poor and qualify for all sorts of welfare. 

We have a very screwed up immigration policy.

[brimic]

Sorry, a good portion of legal immigrants are dead weight.  Two big poles in that tent are:
1. Family Reunification: Bringing in the old folks who soon qualify for a bundle of goodies, aswell as others more able-bodied.
2. Refugee Scam: Likely the majority of these folks are scammers, taught which buttons to push and atrocities to claim.  All unverifiable, of course

What? Somalians bring a net negative? I'm shocked!

[HankB]

Also, the vast majority of legal immigrants to the USA are from third-world countries . . . Most are very, very poor and qualify for all sorts of welfare . . . We have a very screwed up immigration policy.

I take it you've heard of Diversity Visas?

[Ben]

Most are very, very poor and qualify for all sorts of welfare. 

We have a very screwed up immigration policy.

Qualifying and taking are two different things. My parents came to this country owing the Catholic church $100 for train fare from Ellis Island to CA. They never took a dime of assistance in their lives. Certainly many immigrants come here to take advantage of free stuff (as I stated in my original post), but many come here dirt poor, qualify for services, but don't take them. Much of taking freebies or not relates to the culture at the point of origin.

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361432/last-conference-jonathan-strong

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. . . . We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

[neocon]
We all agree that we don't want to take responsibility and stop this.  We all agree to kick the can down the road to ultimate insolvency.  We all agree it's time to get back to regular pork and kickbacks.  We all agree to enslave future unborn generations.
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[TommyGunn]

Checks and balances, bitches.
Pelosi had a bigger set of balls than boehner and knew what she wielded in the House.
All spending bills must originate in the House.

Yeah but there hasn't been an actual budget drawn up in ... what?  four, five years?   According to Rush Limbaugh Obama has effectively usurped the "All spending bills must originate in the House" part of the Constitution.  I think he has a good point. 
And the repukes only have the house anyway ....so my point stands.   Creakily ... like the government ....

[Levant]

The Tea Party is as dead as the Republican Party.  Founders got so caught up in the cameras and getting to hobnob with the Republican elite that they allowed themselves to be thoroughly infiltrated and neutered. 

What we need is a three plumbers party...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/colorado-gun-rights-backers-gun-control-activists-/?page=all

[TommyGunn]

The Tea Party is as dead as the Republican Party.  Founders got so caught up in the cameras and getting to hobnob with the Republican elite that they allowed themselves to be thoroughly infiltrated and neutered. 

What we need is a three plumbers party...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/colorado-gun-rights-backers-gun-control-activists-/?page=all

Wouldn't count on that.............

[zxcvbob]

Well, THAT'S what happens when you try to lead from the butt end of the political power structure.
Try pushing a string if you need an analogy.

I think the butt analogy was more apt.

[Levant]

Wouldn't count on that.............

You wouldn't count on what??

[TommyGunn]

I think the butt analogy was more apt.

[TommyGunn]

You wouldn't count on what??

The Tea Party being  extinct.   

[charby]

The Tea Party is as dead as the Republican Party.  Founders got so caught up in the cameras and getting to hobnob with the Republican elite that they allowed themselves to be thoroughly infiltrated and neutered. 

What we need is a three plumbers party...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/colorado-gun-rights-backers-gun-control-activists-/?page=all

I think the TEA party started to die the day Palin and Bachman (and others like them) got involved. If the TEA just focused just on financials (like in the beginning) and not social ideals I believe it would be going strong for a long time. Also seems like once Democrats start blaming problems on something, that something is either dead, dying or very dysfunctional.