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Plumbers- riddle me this -
« on: November 01, 2013, 04:05:07 AM »
Toilet would not fill, so I looked it over and it had about 2" long plug of organic stuff in the 1/2" inlet pipe, jammed against the valve. Like tiny roots, all broken up. And a few old bright blue copper oxide particles.

 The rest of the faucet filters have a few fine pieces of the same stuff stuck on them.

 background info- the house is 18 years old, has a 35 year old 50' well and pump-the usual set up, the submersible pump fills a pressure tank, then goes to the house. 18 years ago, we cut into the system to run a 1" line to the new house. The line is 1" flexible black plastic, about 3/32 wall thickness IIRC.

 The question- where did the organic stuff come from?  Was it something in the line when the plumbers connected up the "new " house, and has been working it's way to the valve? over 18 years? The roots did not seem "new" and tough, but they were not completely rotted to mush either.

 Or, do I have a break in the water line somewhere where roots are getting in?

 Or, is it something the pump picked up in the well, and managed to find it's way past the sand filter on the pump inlet, and up into and past the pressure tank? that one seems unlikely??..

 There is one clue- the toilet tank filled the last time with red iron water-which would be the case if the plug had slipped past an obstruction and slid down the pipe, scouring off the iron in front of it like a bore brush.
 So I think the plug slipped some distance all at once.
 
 This toilet is pretty close to the main inlet to the house, and it is on the first floor. only one other branch in front of it.

 Any experience with this sort of thing?

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 04:07:12 AM »
And yes, I normally do my plumbing work after midnight. =D

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 06:23:50 AM »
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 07:31:59 AM »
My guess would be roots are making it into the water main somewhere and a small piece broke off and found its way to your toilet fill. Just a guess though. The blue stuff is copper sulfate or copper oxide, some thing like that. It too is famous for clogging stuff up in water feeds.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 07:40:44 AM »
if you had a break in the line water would be leaking out, you wouldn't have stuff leaking in.  a healthy well has a balance of life growing in it.  it can also be growing in the line.  it sounds like some of that is making it's way to the house.  whatever you do, if it's not toxic, don't shock your well with a chlorine treatment.   i've seen others do so, and it sometimes results in all the "good" bacteria dying off, and the "bad" bacteria taking over resulting in the need for regular shock treatments.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 11:00:09 AM »
Do you have a sediment filter on the line coming from the well? Be a cheap way to trap that sort of thing before it gets to fixtures if not.

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 01:40:27 PM »
There is no filtration on the water line- I may instal one- we do have  calcium in the water. , I have contemplated putting in a complete filtration system to remove it, but it is a bit expensive and I would need to find a place to put it. 

 

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 06:55:26 PM »
Ohhh, somehow I missed the part about it being from a well. Never mind ...  =D
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 11:00:52 PM »
There is no filtration on the water line- I may instal one- we do have  calcium in the water. , I have contemplated putting in a complete filtration system to remove it, but it is a bit expensive and I would need to find a place to put it. 
 

I'd suggest in the water line between the well and house.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 11:04:56 PM »
Time to shock the well.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2013, 03:49:32 AM »
while your installing the filter, it wouldn't hurt to create a flush system using the same diameter line as the pipe from the well.  just use a t right before the filter with a shutoff and line dumping outside to flush all the crap out every 6 months or so.  just close the valve slowly after the water runs clear, as the waters momentum can blow your toilet fill valves.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2013, 12:07:48 PM »
I don't know if this is related or co-incidence. I lost power this morning in the windstorm.  Got up and went to make coffee, usually there is enough pressure in the tank to get a pan of water- nada- either the pressure tank is bad, there is a leak in the line, or there is a failed check valve, or the power went out at the same time the pump was due to come on, leaving me with very low pressure in the tank.
 Ah well, first thing is to drink my coffee- thank you honda!

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2013, 02:21:32 PM »
it's likely that you have some of the organic material caught in the check valve. 
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 02:36:32 PM »
^^^That is likely- I went out and looked at the pressure tank- it is OK, and there is no apparent leakage anywhere from faucets, hose bibs, toilet floats,etc- yet the tank is losing pressure at about 20lbs per 20 minute- I think it is the pump check valve.

  Interesting story- about four years ago, I called a well guy to look over the system , just preventive maintenance. I asked about replacing the pump, as it was 30+ years old. He said, "well, it works, it may work fine for years, and I have seen new ones fail in just a few years". I said," you sound like you are telling me the new ones are not as well made." He said, "that is exactly what I am saying". Hmmm.

 

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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 04:10:27 PM »
if you need to replace your pump in the future, goulds still makes a quality pump.  you'll pay 3x more than the pos pumps at tractor supply, but when your through changing it out you'll be glad you bought the one that lasts for 25 years rather than 5.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2013, 12:41:05 AM »
Are you sure they are roots?  I'm thinking fibers.  Invasion of the Body Snatcher-type fibers.
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Re: Plumbers- riddle me this -
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2013, 10:29:42 AM »
There is this funny rootlet stuff growing out of my face....... =D