i was just wondering if anyone makes a small scope package, say 4" in length, that doesn't require a battery for the reticle (although i would say that a battery for a lighted reticle is okay, as long as it can be used without.). a red dot sized package without the batteries, of any magnification. i would also be curious of the quality of the optics if you have first hand experience. otherwise, what's the smallest scope you know of.