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Official OK with Islamic (Sharia) law in Netherlands
« on: September 13, 2006, 08:35:16 PM »
Official OK with Islamic law in Netherlands
Dutch justice minister says Sharia fine if people vote for it
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51957


Piet Hein Donner
The Netherlands' justice minister says he would welcome Islamic law, or Sharia, to his European nation if the majority of his people vote for it.

Piet Hein Donner wants the Netherlands to give Muslims more freedoms to behave according to their traditions, reported the NIS News Bulletin, a Dutch online publication.

"For me it is clear: If two-thirds of the Dutch population should want to introduce the Sharia tomorrow, then the possibility should exist," Donner said. "It would be a disgrace to say: 'That is not allowed!'"

Donner was reacting to a plea by a parliamentary leader, Maxime Verhagen, who wants to ban parties seeking to establish Islamic law.

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Donner's remarks came from an interview in a book being released today in the Netherlands, "The Country of Hate and Malice."

The justice minister said, according to the Dutch Expatica News, "It must be possible for Muslim groups to come to power (in the Netherlands) via democratic means."

Every citizen, he said, "may argue why the law should be changed, as long as he sticks to the law."

"The majority counts," Donner stated. "That is the essence of democracy."

The justice minister insists Muslims have the right to practice their religion in ways that diverge from Dutch social codes.

He says "a tone that I do not like has crept into the political debate. A tone of: 'Thou shalt assimilate. Thou shalt adopt our values in public. Be reasonable, do it our way'. That is not my approach."

Donner said, for example, the Netherlands' Queen Beatrix was wise not to insist on a Muslim leader shaking hands with her when she visited his mosque in The Hague earlier this year. Previously, Dutch Integration Minister Rita Verdonk scolded an imam who would not shake the queen's hand.

As WND reported in 2004, Donner hasn't always been open to every aspect of Muslim culture.

He joined with Verdonk in banning a Muslim book distributed by the Dutch Lel Tawheed mosque promoting the stoning of homosexuals, female circumcision and the beating of wives.

"Gay people should be thrown head first off high buildings and if not killed on hitting the ground, they should be then stoned to death," says a book titled "The Way of the Muslim."

Other allegations by those who read the book describe instructions on how to deal with women in clear violation of Dutch and any other civilized law.

Police and security agents were concerned the book might prompt Islamic militants in the Netherlands to become more militant and, in turn, create a violent reaction by Dutch people.

Another publication, called "Fatwas for Muslim Women," says that a woman who lies should receive 100 blows, and it is the husband's duty, even if the woman refuses, to force her to have sex.

Tension between traditional Dutch society and the country's 1 million Muslims has heightened since the murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh two years ago by a Muslim who warned of further reprisal against the "enemies of Islam." Muslims were angered by Van Gogh's film "Submission," which centered on violence against women in Islamic societies.

Since then, the government of a nation proud of its liberal social attitudes has cut back on generous welfare programs to immigrants and made Dutch-language classes mandatory for newcomers.

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 08:53:31 PM »
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He says "a tone that I do not like has crept into the political debate. A tone of: 'Thou shalt assimilate. Thou shalt adopt our values in public. Be reasonable, do it our way'. That is not my approach."
His approach is, "Be reasonable, do it my way."
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 09:01:43 PM »
Gaaaaaah

I hate when people pretend 'democracy' trumps all.  I think the evils (or at least potential evils) of democracy have been patiently and continously explained going all the way back to Plato.  

I'm personally of a mind with Bastiat.  If the laws are just, no one should be overly mindfull of the process.  Contrawise, if a law is unjust, who cares how it came into being?  

While alot of laws are certainly of the render unto ceaser variety, the Shari is filled with (as the article details) ideas abhorant to any rational sense of common justice or even common good.  

While it could be said that via the democratic process the Shari is desired by the people and thus they should have it.... those who believe in the justice of the Shari are able to follow it without it being actual criminal law.  While I would hope it would go without saying, it seemingly is required.  This is directly aimed at minority oppression.  Those advocating the Shari wish to impose it on those unwilling to abide by it.  

I think Madison spoke well concerning how our own system of goverment with its divided powers and BOR is designed to ease the perpetual (and ever shifting) war of the majorities against the minority.

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 03:51:40 AM »
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For me it is clear: If two-thirds of the Dutch population should want to introduce the Sharia tomorrow, then the possibility should exist
By this guy's words, if 2/3 of the people voted to impose slavery on black people, he'd be OK with that, too.

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 03:57:14 AM »
Ah, the pleasures of "true" democracy.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 06:04:13 AM »
What militant islam didn't win in 732 with force of arms, neutered euros will give them in 2010.
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