4 door muscle?

[Fitz]

Would haul a half stack and three guitars nicely

[geronimotwo]

they have made the station wagon........ .

[Fitz]

That wagon has 425hp :)

[charby]

I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.

[Tallpine]

I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.

I wish they would bring back a bunch of good stuff.

They had full-size 4dr RWD cars in the 1980s getting 20++ mpg.  Could probably do as good as my little shitbox today 

[brimic]

I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.

Chevy Nomad FTW.

Dodge pretty much has the muscle station wagon market to thrmselves.

[Fitz]

I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.

Part of the reason gm was bleeding money is that it had too much identical stuff in its lineup

The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics

[Tallpine]

Part of the reason gm was bleeding money is that it had too much identical stuff in its lineup

The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics

They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they 

[Fitz]

They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they 

Yes, and its another weakness in their lineup from a financial standpoint . The brand identity suffers as a result.

Care to guess why ford f150 is the best selling truck (which becomes self fulfilling)?

Because half the people who buy a gm truck buy one brand, and half buy another

[Fitz]

Ford does it too, but has managed to differentiate enough to keep it a winning proposition

[Tallpine]

Yes, and its another weakness in their lineup from a financial standpoint . The brand identity suffers as a result.

Care to guess why ford f150 is the best selling truck (which becomes self fulfilling)?

Because half the people who buy a gm truck buy one brand, and half buy another

Yeah, I knew that - which is why I'm pissed everytime I hear "F-150 is #1"   

I have two of each right now (well, one of the Chevys is not a pickup/suburban).  Back around 1975 when I worked for a dealer, we got a pickup in off the transport that said "Chevrolet" on one side and "GMC" on the other.  It most likely would have been delivered that way except some punk kid pointed it out 

[Fitz]

Back to the topic.

I'm so in love with the g8 gt... But it was auto only. I'd prefer manual. The gxp I think could be found with a six speed, but they're unobtainium

[charby]

Chevy Nomad FTW.

Has to be a 2 door. Don't f'it up as a 4 door wagon.

Also drop tailgate, not a hatch back.

[charby]

The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics

No, much longer wheel base. Camaro is a coupe/pony car, Chevelle is a 2 door sedan.

Be more like the same wheel base as the current Impala/Malibu.

[Boomhauer]

They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they  

Which is stupid. Hell they used to make THREE brands of S-10 Blazer...chevy, gmc, and olds.

[charby]

Which is stupid. Hell they used to make THREE brands of S-10 Blazer...chevy, gmc, and olds.

All it is some trim and badges, not a big deal. Not like they are two unique vehicles.

[Fitz]

All it is some trim and badges, not a big deal. Not like they are two unique vehicles.

Hurts brand identity.

[brimic]

No, much longer wheel base. Camaro is a coupe/pony car, Chevelle is a 2 door sedan.

Be more like the same wheel base as the current Impala/Malibu.

...and here it is (unfortunately only in 4 -doors):
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html

[charby]

...and here it is (unfortunately only in 4 -doors):
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html

I know the center pillar on a four door offers strength on uni-body construction, but why try and brand a 4 door as muscle car. You would think the people who would be the likely buyers (baby boomers) would have remembered the 2 door muscle cars of their youth.

The only 2 door cars GM makes is the Camaro and Corvette.

Dodge at least made the Challenger at 2 door.

[roo_ster]

I know the center pillar on a four door offers strength on uni-body construction, but why try and brand a 4 door as muscle car. You would think the people who would be the likely buyers (baby boomers) would have remembered the 2 door muscle cars of their youth.

The only 2 door cars GM makes is the Camaro and Corvette.

Dodge at least made the Challenger at 2 door.

1. Folks are used to 4-door cars being good performers, nowadays.
2. The last several common American coupes made in large numbers were pretty awful performers(1).
3. "Likely buyers" are mostly not baby boomers who saw the original muscle cars when they were new.



(1) The Pontiac Gran Prix of S**t.  The Chevy Lumina Eurosport POS Edition.  Chrysler LeBaron K-car (Polished Turd Edition). Chrysler Sebring Coupe!  The Ford Thunderbirds (pre-convertible retro-model) were somewhat better than mediocre. 

[brimic]

1. Folks are used to 4-door cars being good performers, nowadays.
2. The last several common American coupes made in large numbers were pretty awful performers(1).
3. "Likely buyers" are mostly not baby boomers who saw the original muscle cars when they were new.



(1) The Pontiac Gran Prix of S**t.  The Chevy Lumina Eurosport POS Edition.  Chrysler LeBaron K-car (Polished Turd Edition). Chrysler Sebring Coupe!  The Ford Thunderbirds (pre-convertible retro-model) were somewhat better than mediocre. 

Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.

[Tallpine]

I had a 2-door Impala and even as a kid I hated it.

It was a nice enough car, but those long doors were a pain to open in a parking lot.   

[charby]

Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.

4 doors were family cars and 2 doors were the single persons or father's (businessman) vehicle.

This carried on into the 90's. I'm not really sure why 4 door became the standard with cars.

[charby]

Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.

Also the little doors on the smaller cars just don't open into a big enough opening to put items the back seat of the car.

2 door coupe sedan, you open the bigger door, flip the seat forward and there is a lot of room to put things in it.

[Fitz]

Test drove a 2011 charger today while waiting on my service on my truck.

Something cool about a 4 door car with 370 HP. LULZ

I liked it.