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« on: September 24, 2006, 01:34:30 PM »
proud2deviate has a thread going about voting in which he questions how to choose a candidate to vote for, or if they're all lying scum.

The following is an example of how to make that choice very clear.

In WI, we have Governor Doyle--the governor who vetoed CCW twice--being challenged by Congressman Mark Green.

For nearly 30 years, it has been legal for a federal legislator to transfer funds from his federal campaign account into his state account if he decides to run for a state office. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who was a congressman until 2002, did that very thing when he ran for governor in 2002. And the state Elections Board committee, which oversees such activities, voted unanimously to approve the fund transfer. (The elections board committee is comprised of four Democrats appointed by Doyle, one Libertarian, and three Republicans).

Mark Green legally transferred $1.3 million from his congressional campaign account into his gubernatorial campaign account earlier this year.

Governor Doyle cried foul (the same Doyle who is being investigated by a federal prosecutor for illegal campaign contributions).

Four Democrats and one Libertarian on the board voted that Green had to divest his campaign funds of $468,000 that came from out-of-state political action committees, even though four years ago, Barrett was allowed to keep such funds.

Well, it turns out that Doyle's attorney lobbied three of the Democrats on the board to vote against Green. In fact, he even emailed them! The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel got the emails through a freedom of information act filing.

Doyle's attorney had said in the emails that forcing Green to divest his fund of the $468,000 would be a huge public relations problem for his campaign.

What Green did was legal, and had been legal for nearly 30 years. This would be like you driving 65 mph in a 65 zone, and then getting a ticket in the mail a year later saying that the speed limit has since been reduced to 55, and you were being fined.

Nevertheless, the Doyle camp started running ads saying that Green broke the law, and that he was using illegal money.

If this sounds confusing, let me try to summarize: Doyle's gang got the state elections board committee (controlled by Doyle-appointed Democrats) to change long-standing precedent on the use of campaign funds just so Doyle's campaign could run commercials that say that his opponent broke the law.

The district attorney for the Madison area, Democrat toadie Brian Blanchard, has said he will not look into the matter of Doyle's attorney interfering with the Elections Board. However, Republican District Attorney Paul Bucher of Waukesha county is going to open an investigation, since he has some jurisdiction in the matter.

Doyle's corruption has been so blatant, so in your face, that it makes Bill Clinton look like a choirboy.

And that, proud2deviate, is sometimes how you decide which is the better candidate.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 02:35:18 PM »
Choosing the less-corrupt is quite rational. The problem is how one can know that the newly elected would not surpass his opponent's escapades.

The real solution is to:
1) have a real choice
2) exercise it consistently
3) iterate to promulgate the correct political culture.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 01:56:35 PM »
Mudslinging and who starts it and who participates. It can be very telling.

Also as far as choices may go. The one vote election system works against the public. There are smarter ways that would allow for the election of the best choice. Approval voting method would allow for a vote of confidence for those candidates you could stand to make it into office. Just don't vote for those candidates you do not like for the office.
This would do away with the primary and likely open the door to any and every thirdparty and independant candidate for jurisdictions using it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 04:51:12 AM »
The Wisconsin Democratic party machine is as corrupt and as crooked as any in the country. It would be easy to point out how much money the indians gave to Doyle in lieu of him giving away  every shred of the State's negotiating leverage on gaming.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 05:03:55 AM »
Let's posit that there is no politician out there with a ghost's chance of winning anything that any of us will support 100%.  There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of issues in the public eye, each of them with many competing claims on how to handle them.  Politics is the business of adjudicating those claims and trying to find the solution that is a) true to core principles, and b) has a chance of actually becoming law.  Given that scenario no one will feel exactly like you and recommend exactly your solution all the time.  So you are left with picking the one that meets most of what you are looking for.  That involves compromise.
In some cases it makes little difference who gets elected.  But in some cases it is very important and equally clear.  It was clear as day that Bush had to be elected over both Gore and Kerry.  While I am disappointed with some of what he has done, I can say that Pres Gore or Pres Kerry would have been disasters.
I like the posts on Gov Doyle.  I would move to WI just to register to vote to dump that guy.
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