Christian campus groups "derecognized" for being Christian

[Perd Hapley]

I don't see how this can stand. Haven't the Supremes already ruled on this sort of thing, at public secondary schools?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/september/intervarsity-now-derecognized-in-california-state-universit.html

I will disagree with the article on one point. Persecution is always persecution, no matter how much worse the persecution may be somewhere else.

Sorry if the link wasn't working. It didn't work for my browser, because I unintentionally capitalized the h in http. I didn't think it would care.


Another link, just for more info:
http://www.sonomastatestar.com/news/2014/8/26/religious-organization-on-the-chopping-block

The above mentions that the group used to receive funding from the state. I can only assume that any funds they received are something available to other campus groups. Some will respond to this with the "If you take the King's shilling..." line. Wrong. If funds are set aside for campus student groups, then there should be no discrimination against particular groups, merely because they happen to promote Christianity, or insist on Christian leadership.

[roo_ster]

I don't see how this can stand. Haven't the Supremes already ruled on this sort of thing, at public secondary schools?

http://Http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/september/intervarsity-now-derecognized-in-california-state-universit.html

I will disagree with the article on one point. Persecution is always persecution, no matter how much worse the persecution may be somewhere else.

I wonder just what Christians could do so that academics and university bureaucrats would be as hesitant to criticize and act against Christian organizations as they are to do such to Muslim organizations?  Because it is pretty obvious the Muslim groups have found the secret sauce that nullifies leftist opposition.

[MechAg94]

I have heard people say that they are secretly afraid of Muslims and are suffering a form of Stockholme syndrome.  I think it is more that Christians are a good target from which there are few consequences.

[Hawkmoon]

Does this mean that the Hillel Society is also banned?

If not ... why not?

[Perd Hapley]

Does this mean that the Hillel Society is also banned?

If not ... why not?

They just have to wear an identifying arm band.

InterVarsity is still allowed on campus, but not as a recognized student organization. They, apparently, can't put signs on campus, and have to pay for any rooms they want to use for meetings. 'Cause they're not inclusive enough.

[Waitone]

That is what you get for asking permission to meet.  If asking permission gets you this kind of treatment, then a strong case has just been made for civil disobedience. 

[roo_ster]

Does this mean that the Hillel Society is also banned?

If not ... why not?

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/194612/

I PREDICT THEY WILL MOSTLY RESOLVE IT BY DECIDING TO BE LEFTISTS, FIRST: The Dilemma Of The Jewish Leftist. Because that’s usually how it works: “Over the past 15 years, the international Left has consistently expanded its political alliance with Islamists in the West. Among other things, this alliance has required the Left to turn a blind eye to barbaric Islamic practices like female genital mutilation and rape and to defame those who dare to openly oppose these reactionary, obscene behaviors as Islamophobic racists.”

And head choppings on youtube.  Don't forget the head choppings.

As a parent I must be cognizant of the incentives I put in place, intentionally or otherwise.  Folk may be unpredictable and such, but at the margins most respond to incentives.  If murderous violence is observed to serve other religious groups well, don't be too surprised if some Christians at the margins get the notion that it might serve their purposes, too.

[KD5NRH]

I wonder just what Christians could do so that academics and university bureaucrats would be as hesitant to criticize and act against Christian organizations as they are to do such to Muslim organizations?

I doubt you're going to find a lot of Christians willing to become suicide bombers or decapitate school administrators in the name of their religion.

[HankB]

I doubt you're going to find a lot of Christians willing to become suicide bombers or decapitate school administrators in the name of their religion.

And if you do have one or two Christian crazies over the next decade or so, the left will define these isolated incidents as equivalent to Islam's daily outrages, and they'll be held up by the left as absolute proof that radical Christians are even more dangerous to civilization than radical Moslems.

[roo_ster]

I doubt you're going to find a lot of Christians willing to become suicide bombers or decapitate school administrators in the name of their religion.

Today, with the current mindset of most Christians in the West, that is a true statement.  Except for a very few at the margins. 

And the margins is where such activity will come from.  If those at the margins learn the lessons and heed the incentives of leftist/Muslim interaction, the margins will grow as sure as any other economic/sociological phenomenon.  If Christianity is merely mass delusion, expect adherents to eventually respond as all others.  (And if this is not the expectation of the anti-Christian sorts, why is that?)

We get regular reminders of how awful the Christians were in the past: crusades, pogroms, mass expulsions.  Yet the same folk who harp on that (to the exclusion of Muslim and Jewish and other's evil doings) seem to think they can kick the Christian dog around and never get bit.

And if you do have one or two Christian crazies over the next decade or so, the left will define these isolated incidents as equivalent to Islam's daily outrages, and they'll be held up by the left as absolute proof that radical Christians are even more dangerous to civilization than radical Moslems.

Depends on how many.  One or two? True that. 

A regular occurrence aimed at journalists and academics...you'd get a different response as the possibility of ending up a grisly video on youtube sinks in. 

Violence and fear are effective.  Just look at the coverage of violent Muslim groups and countries from 1947 to today.  When they killed merely Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and pagans; they had very poor coverage in the press.  Start in the 1970s killing journalists and academics (think American University in Lebanon) and immigrating to the West and you see a whole new sort of coverage.