EBR or EBK?

[Ben]

In most every story on the last White House fence jumper, I've seen a phrase similar to, "Concealed black folding knife" (so, uh, a pocket knife, right?). I'm interested to see if there is going to be any talk about Evil Black Knives that need to be controlled.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/21/rep-king-is-sure-house-homeland-security-panel-will-probe-white-house-intruder/

[dogmush]

How is that unacceptable?

They stopped him before he got in weapons range of anyone they were protecting. Isn't that the point of security?

I'm sure they could install auto turrets that wax anything bigger then a bunny on the White House lawn but that seems excessive to me.

They got this guy, disarmed and arrested him for trial, and didn't let him near the people they are paid to protect. As a bonus, they appear to have not given much away in the way of their tactics and SOP's to anyone that may have been watching.  Seems like a win for the SS to me.

[Ben]

I'm not talking about stopping him or any of their tactics, I'm talking about the news services and their description of the knife.

[dogmush]

I'm not talking about stopping him or any of their tactics, I'm talking about the news services and their description of the knife.

Sorry, I got that. I was responding to the Rep. that was quoted in the article.

[Ben]

Sorry, I got that. I was responding to the Rep. that was quoted in the article.

Ah, gotchya. My error. :)

[Phantom Warrior]

I agree with dogmush.  I've read several accounts where the Secret Service said they explicitly decided not to shoot the guy because he didn't appear to be carrying a bomb or any kind of heavy weapons.  With all the accounts of police shooting every innocent man, woman, child, and dog in site I'm happy to see the Secret Service showing some restraint.  They let the crazy guy come to them, subdued him, and detained him.  How is this not a win?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The secret service is amongst the absolute best at using discretion and thus sparing mentally disturbed folks. So are the security folks at the Israeli embassy in dc. Both get a lot of practice. Capital hill cops also are gentle where possible with folks who are disturbed


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[Perd Hapley]

The secret service is amongst the absolute best at using discretion and thus sparing mentally disturbed folks. So are the security folks at the Israeli embassy in dc. Both get a lot of practice. Capital hill cops also are gentle where possible with folks who are disturbed

Speaking from experience? 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Not me going over but I have seen the way they treated some guys who went over the fence or tried to get in the embassy. They balance their duty to keep the facility safe with a level,of compassion that other agencies would do well to emulate. They do have the luxury of a controlled environment as well as ample man power but once that determine that there is no real threat they act more like staff at a good mental,health facility. They get lots of practice they are magnets for disturbed folks. In the case of the capital cops they went through a roommates wallet and called all the numbers trying to get someone to get him as opposed to sending him to st E's . When I got there they had him contained with a guy to watch him and were giving him donuts and decaf. In that case i think his vet status coupled with most of the cops there being vets made them especially considerate of him. In that case I was especially glad since he was real fragile both mentally and physically. He was expecting a beating when they had to remove him and he couldn't get over  "how nice those guys were" when Walter reed cut him loose we took him back down there and he got them a cake from the fancy place in union station.


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[MillCreek]

I like to learn something every day: why is the Israeli embassy in DC a hot spot for this sort of thing?

[Perd Hapley]

I like to learn something every day: why is the Israeli embassy in DC a hot spot for this sort of thing?

Um, cause the Joooos are the perpetrators of various evils, and control the US gubermint and the world, of course.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

A great many folks obsess about Israel. Often they are not hostile some act like groupies. I know one guy with a dozen incidents over 20 years. Their security is very impressive both in primary job and not hurting sick folks.


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[230RN]

"I'm interested to see if there is going to be any talk about Evil Black Knives that need to be controlled."

And black baseball bats, black cars, big black assault flashlights, black tire irons, black et ceteras.

Maybe they should make all those things in green.  Much more politically acceptable, doncha know?

[Tallpine]

"I'm interested to see if there is going to be any talk about Evil Black Knives that need to be controlled."

And black baseball bats, black cars, big black assault flashlights, black tire irons, black et ceteras.

Maybe they should make all those things in green.  Much more politically acceptable, doncha know?

I have a pair of black logging/fire boots 

[RoadKingLarry]

I have a pair of black logging/fire boots 

You mean black "jack boots" dontcha?

[griz]

The initial reports said he was unarmed.  When I heard about the weapons charge my first thought was they just wanted to tack on something so it wouldn't only be a trespass violation.  The folding aspect of the knife, no doubt, makes it more deadly in the same way that a handgun is more deadly than a long gun.  (Assault weapons, short and long, are in another category, because like this evil knife, they are black and scary looking [sorry for that racist comment])

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Actually they usually jam you on the charge to make sure the courts supervise you till they decide if you pose a significant threat. If they decide no and you comply with seeing the head doctor they drop it. The more leverage they have the more folks cooperate.


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[KD5NRH]

How is that unacceptable?

I've worked in a lot of fairly low-security buildings that had these things on the doors called locks.

Some of the slightly nicer ones used mag locks, some with proximity cards that unlocked them from several inches away.  Assign wristbands to folks with the unlock tag, and they might never even know which doors are locked if they're cleared for access to that area; they reach to turn the knob, and it unlocks before they touch it.

You would think the White House could afford something like that, if for no other reason than access tracking.

[Scout26]

How come he wasn't invited in, given an EBT card, signed up for Obamacare, given an Obamaphone and housing found for him in a sanctuary city?

[wmenorr67]

Because he is a Veteran.