Eric garner verdict

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-eric-garner-kass-met-1205-20141205-column.html

Someone told the cops where they should focus their energy. "Following orders" may not be a defense but why not focus the energy where the rot begins? At the top.

Let's focus on all of it, bottom and top. If one of those officers had a functioning brain, this could have been avoided. Blaming the "top" is almost as lame of an excuse as "just following orders".  I'm sure the Feds in Nevada "were just following orders", if not for citizens that would have turned out bad. 

http://m.cnn.com/latest/2014/12/04/justice-cleveland-police-use-excessive-force?fullarticle=true

Interesting article. Don't give a damn on Holders actions in it, but this is the problem in a nutshell, with the whole of LE.



This is just a minor incident. It's the militarization of police that's the major problem.

[Ron]

Let's focus on all of it, bottom and top. If one of those officers had a functioning brain, this could have been avoided. Blaming the "top" is almost as lame of an excuse as "just following orders".  I'm sure the Feds in Nevada "were just following orders", if not for citizens that would have turned out bad.  

http://m.cnn.com/latest/2014/12/04/justice-cleveland-police-use-excessive-force?fullarticle=true

Interesting article. Don't give a damn on Holders actions in it, but this is the problem in a nutshell, with the whole of LE.



This is just a minor incident. It's the militarization of police that's the major problem.

You can't keep jacking the cops around. (not you individually but society)

Either you address the conditions that foster the chaos you hire them to police or you give them wide berth in dealing with the unreasonable criminal class.

This guy didn't do anything to deserve dying as I can see but have any of you ever wrestled with someone who outweighed you by 80#s?

There is a reason they instituted weight classes into boxing and MMA's.

We make cops deal daily with the mess of the welfare state and then wonder what happened when they act in a jaded or self preservation manor.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/not-a-chokehold-truth-of-the-garner-arrest/


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[wmenorr67]

Maybe if a few LEO's would stop enforcing asinine laws and say so...

[Hawkmoon]

This guy didn't do anything to deserve dying as I can see but have any of you ever wrestled with someone who outweighed you by 80#s?

Isn't that why they developed Tasers?

Of course, if he had heart problems a Taser jolt might have killed him anyway, but at least the cops might have a valid argument that they tried to use a less-lethal approach. Using a choke hold and then trying to claim it wasn't a choke hold destroys any vestiges of credibility the NYPD might have had left after all their other screw-ups.

[White Horseradish]

Was it really necessary to jump this guy and use any hold, choke or otherwise?

Sure, he was agitated and waving his arms around, but how much of a danger is someone who wheezes and can't walk a block? He probably would have tired out, had they given him another couple of minutes.

[lupinus]

Was it really necessary to jump this guy and use any hold, choke or otherwise?

Sure, he was agitated and waving his arms around, but how much of a danger is someone who wheezes and can't walk a block? He probably would have tired out, had they given him another couple of minutes.

But that would be lack of respect for the authorita!

[White Horseradish]

Incidentally, elsewhere I came by a post from a guy who used to be a NY cop, specifically dealing with tax violations.

He says this is a $100 ticket,  he has written hundreds of them, and that he can't figure out why they decided to arrest this guy in the first place.

[roo_ster]

Cops do not avoid moral or legal responsibility because their leo or political superiors pressure them to do the immoral illegal or unconstitutional.

We hold 18yo privates to account for their actions and explicitly state that they can not shirk  because superiors told them to do something illegal or immoral.  I guess our leos are made of lesser moral fiber than 18yo high school gradutes.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Incidentally, elsewhere I came by a post from a guy who used to be a NY cop, specifically dealing with tax violations.

He says this is a $100 ticket,  he has written hundreds of them, and that he can't figure out why they decided to arrest this guy in the first place.

The law changed last year

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Cops do not avoid moral or legal responsibility because their leo or political superiors pressure them to do the immoral illegal or unconstitutional.

We hold 18yo privates to account for their actions and explicitly state that they can not shirk  because superiors told them to do something illegal or immoral.  I guess our leos are made of lesser moral fiber than 18yo high school gradutes.

The questions about legal responsibilities were answered by the grand jury and just like with my wife because you don't like the answers doesn't make them wrong

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Was it really necessary to jump this guy and use any hold, choke or otherwise?

Sure, he was agitated and waving his arms around, but how much of a danger is someone who wheezes and can't walk a block? He probably would have tired out, had they given him another couple of minutes.

When they say you're under arrest they mean right now not when you're ready

[zxcvbob]

When they say you're under arrest they mean right now not when you're ready

Their time is valuable.  Your life is not.

[Jamisjockey]

Their time is valuable.  Your life is not.

Capitulate right now so I can go on my union mandated coffee break, or die, citizen!

[lupinus]

The questions about legal responsibilities were answered by the grand jury and just like with my wife because you don't like the answers doesn't make them wrong

It also doesn't make them right.

When they say you're under arrest they mean right now not when you're ready

And when they kill you for it, for no good reason, they should still be held accountable.

[Scout26]

And when they kill you for it, for no good reason, they should still be held accountable.

I heard from a friend that a gang of cops could rape, kill, and dismember Mother Theresa in front of six different video-taping news crews (each at a different angle) and a Staten Island grand jury would return No True Bill on all the cops. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It also doesn't make them right.
And when they kill you for it, for no good reason, they should still be held accountable.

Your croaking on a stretcher after resisting arrest is your own fault. Sad but still your fault. He was breathing lips moved during the 7 min wait for ems


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[RocketMan]

Done right they work real well my 13 year old put me out about 2 weeks ago. We were showing her mom what I taught her and she held it till I went out. I came to they were both laughing. But it was a carotid choke

Be very careful with that carotid choke.  The margin between waking up normally and waking up as a low functioning turnip is very small.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Yea I showed her how to slap/ massage the side of my neck BEFORE I showed her the choke. And explained how easy it was to hold it too long when excited and that daddy has limited space left for burials
That choke has saved my bacon before


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[KD5NRH]

The margin between waking up normally and waking up as a low functioning turnip is very small.

Can a turnip learn proper grammar and punctuation?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Pffffft!


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[Fly320s]

Since when are cops required to enforce a law?  Last I heard, cops aren't required to do much of anything.