Author Topic: Dog owners are special (Read 5710 times)

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **on:** December 28, 2014, 01:51:12 PM »

Probably should say dog nuts

Guy walking his dog in glen burnie on a leash small dog. Granny walking her daughters Great Dane with her 4 year old grand daughter. Great Dane pulls free of granny starts to munch small dog . Bang bang no more Great Dane. Shooter is a FBI agent.
The advice folks gave about how they would break up a Dane attack was pretty special . Heck the comments in general were amazing

http://www.abc2news.com/news/crime-checker/anne-arundel-crime/fbi-investigating-fatal-dog-shooting-in-glen-burnie-park

Granny is a piece of work

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zxcvbob · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2014, 02:29:01 PM »

Was the shot legal, since he was protecting his dog rather than in fear of his own life, or the life of another person? I'm not sure. I bet it violates some city ordinance.

I'd say Grandma was mostly a fault here.

BobR · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2014, 02:38:23 PM »

The FBI agent is going to end up screwed in this one, whether he was in the right or not, I can see it coming down the pike.

bob

brimic · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2014, 02:48:39 PM »

A cop shooting someone's dog? Whowouldathunkit?
The only thing he did wrong was not announce that the aerf should stand aside, one of the king's men is coming through, they'll leaRn to do that eventually.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2014, 02:51:22 PM »

Quote from: BobR on December 28, 2014, 02:38:23 PM

The FBI agent is going to end up screwed in this one, whether he was in the right or not, I can see it coming down the pike.

Agreed. I think he was legally justified and he won't be charged with anything, but his FBI career just went down the tubes. Unless he has friends in high places, he'll be lucky to be assigned to a desk in a closet in Nome, Alaska.

And I agree that granny is a twit. She had no business walking a dog she couldn't control. Especially as (according to at least one article on the incident) that Great Dane had attacked other dogs in the past.

Ben · « **Reply #5 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:00:23 PM »

Yup, granny should have had control of the dog. On the other hand, it always bothers me that for anyone with a gun (LEO or not), the gun seems to be their first choice for dog encounters. I've chased away big dogs, little dogs, and even multiple coyotes, with just raised arms, yelling and making myself look menacing.

Not that there aren't certain situations and crazed dogs where a gun will be needed, but IMO, far too many people use a gun when other means will keep the dog from even getting close enough to justify shooting it. Meter readers and delivery drivers seem to generally get this. Cops, not so much.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:03:50 PM »

Actually granny acknowledges she ordered him to stand aside they met on a bridge. 150 plus pounds of dog is a legal shoot especially since it was after his dog got hurt and granny was not on the leash. You might be surprised about his career. It depends what he's done how high up he is. If I were him I'd lawyer up and sue granny and her dimwit daughter first. And include for the damage to his career if any

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cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:05:11 PM »

I'd have felt bad after but I'd have slit the Danes throat. Now that woulda sent granny and the kid into shock but I am not fighting a Dane

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BobR · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:18:51 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 28, 2014, 03:03:50 PM

Actually granny acknowledges she ordered him to stand aside they met on a bridge. 150 plus pounds of dog is a legal shoot especially since it was after his dog got hurt and granny was not on the leash. You might be surprised about his career. It depends what he's done how high up he is. If I were him I'd lawyer up and sue granny and her dimwit daughter first. And include for the damage to his career if any

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And send granny a bill for the expended ammo if it wasn't an issue weapon.

bob

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #9 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:24:15 PM »

I am a firm believer in lawyering up first anymore. I learned my lesson. Call in sick to work see a shrink for the trauma . Dog to a specialist then a doggie therapist. If he's got kids they are traumatized by their pets injuries as well as knowing what dad did. They need therapy too. It goes on and on I would have their homeowners settling quick . Would homeowners cover them in the park?
Seperate suits for granny and daughter.

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Cliffh · « **Reply #10 on:** December 28, 2014, 04:19:27 PM »

Wasn't going to, but went ahead and read the article/comments - just what one would expect.

Sure, I'm going to step into a dog fight involving a 180# dog and try to drag them apart. Right.....

At least consulting a lawyer would seem to be a good idea, especially since he's a LEO and this could become a fairly high-profile incident.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 28, 2014, 04:25:36 PM »

I believe he may be represented by a union of some sort. This is one of those times it's a good thing if he is

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dogmush · « **Reply #12 on:** December 28, 2014, 07:07:20 PM »

I'm a dog person. I have raised and trained more dogs then most of you ever will (BSL excepted). I have also delt with dogs in large groups, aggressive dogs, and dogs trying to assert themselves. I also only deal with large dogs. I've held 100 lbs of husky at eye level while I explained dominance to him. I've trained hounds and GSD's to do all kinds of things most regular dog owners think can't be done by a dog. I've helped train labs to be full on gun dogs. I've trained dog teams and completed 600 mile races with them. I've delt with wild moose charging said dog team without killing anything.

I list all of that so that you folks can fully appreciate the next comment.

If I (or a dog attached to me) were attacked by 180lbs of out of control dog that was not known to me, that dog would be DRT. It would be remarkably stupid to attempt to fight a dog that big unarmed. That much angry canine could tear up most humans.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #13 on:** December 28, 2014, 07:12:09 PM »

I 'be gotten a pretty good ass whupping and gnawing from a 60 pound dog that was mine and was fighting my other dog . I am a believer

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Boomhauer · « **Reply #14 on:** December 28, 2014, 07:38:59 PM »

Quote from: brimic on December 28, 2014, 02:48:39 PM

A cop shooting someone's dog? Whowouldathunkit?
The only thing he did wrong was not announce that the aerf should stand aside, one of the king's men is coming through, they'll leaRn to do that eventually.

Firethorn · « **Reply #15 on:** December 28, 2014, 07:51:06 PM »

Per the reporting thus far, the officer did nothing that many of our members here haven't said they'd do personally if the described scenario occurred.

We don't know everything about the bridge, and telling somebody else to wait when you're both on the bridge is a bit presumptuous. If I have a big dog that I don't want other people to get too close to in tight quarters I'd be the one looking and waiting for it to be clear first.

But, assuming the Dane really did attack the FBI agent's smaller dog, I don't see what else could have been done.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2014, 08:16:47 PM »

Breaking up a dog fight is one of the few reasons I can think of for firing a so-called "warning shot". (Fired into the ground, not into the air unless it's a shotgun with birdshot.) Even so, shooting the attacking dog instead of trying to scare it away with a gunshot is probably more legal.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #17 on:** December 28, 2014, 08:20:02 PM »

I have used 12 ga stinger rounds to break up fence fighting dogs fired from about 30 plus feet. It worked. But I was shooting from the safety of a second floor window

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vaskidmark · « **Reply #18 on:** December 28, 2014, 08:41:04 PM »

A recent decision from the Washington Circuit Court of Appeals http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/26/self-defense-is-a-constitutional-right/ says 1) that the right to self defense is a constitutional right, and 2) that right specifically applies to self defense again other than persons.

I'm linking to Voloch's column rather than the actual decision because it gives an explanation of the reasoning that led to the decision regarding the constitutional right of self defense - against persons and against other things like dogs.

stay safe.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #19 on:** December 28, 2014, 08:45:17 PM »

But the agent never claimed self defense. He claimed he was defending his property (the little dog.) I have no idea what the law is on that; it's generally okay to shoot a dog that's killing game or livestock.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2014, 08:54:03 PM »

Ordinarily I would say he was fine, here in va for example. But that's maryland. I don't know anymore

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cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2014, 09:15:40 PM »

Maryland Code
ARTICLE 24 POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS - MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
TITLE 11. LICENSES.
SUBTITLE 5. REGULATION OF ANIMALS.

Â§ 11-505. Dogs attacking livestock, etc., may be killed.

Any person may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing, attacking, wounding or killing any poultry or livestock, or attacking human beings whether or not such dog bears the proper license tag required by these provisions. There shall be no liability on such persons in damages or otherwise for such killing.

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dogmush · « **Reply #22 on:** December 28, 2014, 09:36:09 PM »

This is also why other folks don't take my dogs places. My FIL was a little offended when I said he couldn't take my dogs for a walk in my or my wife's abcense. I have control of my dogs, but I'm the alpha. Others don't rate as high in my dog's chain of command.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #23 on:** December 28, 2014, 09:38:56 PM »

Odd you mention that my wife isn't allowed to walk our dogs till she gets her head outa her ass. My 13 year old is though. Sigh

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dogmush · « **Reply #24 on:** December 28, 2014, 09:42:22 PM »

With dogs you are Alpha, or you are not.

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Rule Number 1: Leave Humans Alone.
Rule Number 2: Stay Off My Bad Side.

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Author Topic: Dog owners are special (Read 5710 times)