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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2015, 06:07:48 PM »
#1: First thought looking at all those medals was, "So do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on." However ...

#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2015, 06:47:03 PM »
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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2015, 01:08:15 AM »
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#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.

They didn't. It was a way to transport them back from where ever or to where ever.

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If they are Navy or Marine planes they are designated R4D, not C47.

The last R4D I rode on belonged to the Marines at MCAS Iwakuni.

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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2015, 01:15:20 AM »
#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.

That carrier is just transporting the aircraft to a base. It was very common back in the day for a carrier to carry a bunch of non-carrier aircraft to their destination or a port a lot closer to the forward theater.

In fact some of the WWII carriers were designated as aircraft transports in their post WWII career.

Of course, if the carrier was able to build up enough steam an the conditions were right, it is likely possible that a C-47 could have taken off provided wing clearance was adequate. Some of the more unusual aircraft tried out on carriers include the C-130 and the U-2.

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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2015, 02:56:49 AM »
Part 4 # 9, Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking.

They should have included a couple of pix of the other results of the Rape of Nanking.

Japanese Newspaper account of the killing contest between two Japanese soldiers.  Pretty much a tie, 105 for one, 106 for the other; they decided to extend the contest to the first one to kill 150 people:



They were both shot to death after the war.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2015, 11:11:42 AM »
Terry -

Why shot?

I'm guessing they were convicted of war crimes.  War criminals were not offered the "honorable" soldier's death of being shot.  They were hanged like the commoners who were criminals.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2015, 12:32:17 PM »
Terry -

Why shot?

I'm guessing they were convicted of war crimes.  War criminals were not offered the "honorable" soldier's death of being shot.  They were hanged like the commoners who were criminals.

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It's not clear to me from my reading of Iris Chang's "The Rape of Nanking," which I got out of the library and already returned.  She just says they were shot at one point.  

I tell you true, it was difficult reading that book word for word, and I might have missed the whole story of the outcome.  She's a good writer, it's just the subject matter was occasionally too much for me.  She has a section in that book regarding the postwar trials, and more information on our two "contestants" might appear there.  It is perfectly possible that they were shot "extralegally" or even out-of-hand by the Chinese. The Chinese had their own "War Crimes" tribunals, by the way.

I have commented elsewhere on other examples of Japanese atrocities, for examples, the Bataan Death March and their medical experimental center, "Unit 731" in China, where live un-anesthetized vivisection of humans occured.

There is a theory outlined in "Total War"(ISBN-10: 0394471040; ISBN-13: 978-0394471044) that the ordinary Japanese soldier, since he was released from the direct rigid societal strictures of the Japanese culture and in army service, went hog-wild on the battlefield and conquered areas, which resulted in so many of the atrocities committed in the Pacific Theatre and elsewhere.

This kind of explanation occurs in other sources as well.

Not that atrocities did not occur in all war theatres, nor only in World War II, nor only by the Japanese, nor only in modern times, but they seem to have made an art of it in "The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

Naturally, there are "apologists" and "deniers" of these kinds of events, but there is too much evidence in the form of personal testimony, movies, photographs, etc (like the printed news reports I cited previously), to allow plausible deniability.  The Japanese themselves, in their history books, merely refer to it as "the Nanking Incident" without going into any details.

Ms. Chang wrote her book to bring this behavior to the fore, in the form of masses of undeniable evidence.

Hard to read, sometimes even hard for me to thumb through because of the photographs.

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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2015, 12:36:46 PM »
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The Japanese themselves, in their history books, merely refer to it as"the Nanking Incident" without going into any details.

But they like to whine about the atomic bombs...
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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2015, 12:55:52 PM »
Al japanese society was savage until a couple of a bombs caused an existential crisis  and crisis of legitimacy of dominant japanese culture.  Officers and upper classes were as savage as enlisted.

Laws of war and such are western innovations that had zero impact on japan until hiroshima.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2015, 12:57:21 PM »
Also read the rape of nanking when it came out.  Disturbing is an understatement.  The author eventually killed herself.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2015, 03:29:08 PM »
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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2015, 10:22:14 AM »
"Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking."

Lies, lies, lies!

Lies created by disident malcontents who conspired with the decadent and evil United States to destroy the harmony created by the benevolent hegemony of the Emperor's willingness to share Japan's blessings with less fortunate, less advanced nations.

Never should have stopped at two. Honshu should still be glowing.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2015, 10:33:04 AM »
"Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking."

Lies, lies, lies!

Lies created by disident malcontents who conspired with the decadent and evil United States to destroy the harmony created by the benevolent hegemony of the Emperor's willingness to share Japan's blessings with less fortunate, less advanced nations.

Never should have stopped at two. Honshu should still be glowing.

Admirable and understandable sentiment.  OTOH, I would have been happy if the emperor got himself a public short-drop hanging as he deserved.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2015, 12:33:54 PM »
IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2015, 12:36:53 PM »
IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?

Yep, the a-bomb magazine was empty.
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2015, 12:39:15 PM »
IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?

Yes, but so what?

You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2015, 02:35:05 PM »
Yes, but so what?

You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.


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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2015, 04:45:18 PM »
...while you build more A-bombs.

Now THAT is the American "can-do" attitude that I like to see!
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2015, 05:27:34 PM »
...while you build more A-bombs.

Well yeah!
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2015, 05:51:29 PM »
Yes, but so what?

You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.


Agreed, but that wouldn't make Honshu glow...   

IIRC, there was a debate as to whether to drop them as soon as they were produced (2-4 per month), or to save them up for Operation Downfall and drop them all at once or within a very short timeframe.


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Re: Historical Photos, Continued...
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2015, 06:33:43 PM »
. . . Some of the more unusual aircraft tried out on carriers include the C-130 and the U-2. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2015, 07:44:04 PM »
Agreed, but that wouldn't make Honshu glow...   

IIRC, there was a debate as to whether to drop them as soon as they were produced (2-4 per month), or to save them up for Operation Downfall and drop them all at once or within a very short timeframe.



Split the difference. Drop half of the produced at the end of every month and save the other half for the big grand finale
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2015, 08:15:43 PM »
Damn it! You pound the *expletive deleted*ck out of them conventionally until you have MORE nukes!

When you run out of nukes you keep up conventional until you gave MORE nukes.

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2015, 09:37:35 PM »

 I believe the war plan for the island of Japan called for nerve gas. Etc. Both my father and my father in law were infantry, training in the Philippines for the invasion when the bomb was dropped.

 A very interesting book on the war is "Japan at War", Theodore Cook. The Japanese are
 understandably reluctant to speak about it, Cook, with the aid of his Japanese wife, was able to arrange clandestine meetings with soldiers, etc- his interviews covered a wide ground, from a teenage nurse on Okinawa, to bio-weapons soldiers- and everything in between.