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Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« on: April 29, 2015, 08:28:43 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/29/paratrooper-fish-jump-punishment/26561405/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

It was a Siamese fighting fish in a waterbottle.  And it was his last jump before separation.  He had to write an essay explaining how it was unsafe and unprofessional and got some extra duty.
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2015, 09:30:50 AM »
Doesn't that seem kind of chickensh&*&*t ? 
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 09:36:48 AM »
Doesn't that seem kind of chickensh&*&*t ? 

Meh... I think the fact he got NJP, wrote an essay and got some extra duty but no bust in rank says they think it was funny/cute too, but had to go through some motions to maintain discipline and order etc.

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2015, 09:58:52 AM »
Yeah, he pulled a prank, got caught by Officers, and they gave him the equivilant of a prank punishment.  No real story here

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2015, 10:03:05 AM »
Yeah, he pulled a prank, got caught by Officers, and they gave him the equivilant of a prank punishment.  No real story here


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The outrage about it on Facebook is kinda strange to me
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2015, 10:06:17 AM »
12 days extra duty for a prank that was essentially meaningless?  Is that normal?
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2015, 10:06:35 AM »
Surprised that they even allowed him to jump since he is so close to getting out.  Imagine if he had been hurt and had to have his enlistment extended to tend to his wounds.
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2015, 10:20:30 AM »
Doesn't that seem kind of chickensh&*&*t ? 

The punishment was minor grade chickenshit.  Nothing too bad.

But, that is essentially what our armed forced have become: chickenshit leadership slathered with the worst of right and left wing smelly orthodoxies.
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2015, 11:24:34 AM »
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The outrage about it on Facebook is kinda strange to me

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2015, 12:40:28 PM »
So his Beta test didn't go well and he's stuck doing all the documentation?
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2015, 01:15:41 PM »
So his Beta test didn't go well and he's stuck doing all the documentation?

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2015, 01:42:34 PM »
12 days extra duty for a prank that was essentially meaningless?  Is that normal?

As a former Company Commander, I think they stuck the right balance here.  The SPC in question did not lose any rank, not did they "Max him out".  A thousand word essay on "Why not to be a dumbass" is about right.  The 12 days (?, 14 is the max for a company grade Art 15, so they cut him a break there, might have to do with not pushing back his ETS date, whatever.) is a warning to anyone else that wants to try something like that.  It means "If you do this, you will get more then just a essay to write, Capache' ? ".

And they reason they have to do something is that future dumbasses might think about trying this *expletive deleted*it.  Jumping out of a plane and having a cell phone, waterbottle, or somesuch slip out of PVT Dumbasses hands and go hurdling down at terminal velocity to either tear or possibly collapse the canopy of the jumper beneath you is a serious concern.   Also there's the possibility of getting hit with said *expletive deleted*it. That's why jumpmasters go over each jumper before boarding the aircraft to make sure nothing is loose, and why you "Check Equipment" right after "Stand Up", to make sure nothing came loose. 

Finally, someone asked about why he was even jumping when so close to getting out.  Any and all of the following reasons:  1) Airborne units have to have a certain percentage of assigned folks current and qualified to jump.  2) To maintain his jump pay until ETS.  3) He did a "Hollywood" jump (No combat gear, just uniform and helmet), Everyone else in the unit jumped with ruck, weapon, and whatever else they are assigned to jump with.  It reduces his chance of injury (not jumping with 50+ lbs of gear strapped to him), yet still counts as a jump.  4) He's not out yet.  You never know when the defecation will hit the rotating oscillator, in which case SPC Short-timer could become SPC Deployed/Stop-loss'd.  I saw it happen during Desert Storm.  Me, for one in particular.  There were busloads of folks that had completely cleared and made it all the way to Rhein-Main to board the Freedom Bird back to the land of the Round Door Knobs, only to be told to turn around and go back to their units.   They were not happy campers.  Especially the ones that went back to units that were deploying to the sandbox.







Now what SPC Dumbass should have done was wait until about a month after he had ETS'd and then post the pics.  Not much the Army could do then.  But like Terry, I'm not signing this so no other troopies get any smart ideas.   :old: :old:

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2015, 02:32:11 PM »
He probably read that book on his inner fish  =)
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2015, 03:10:15 PM »
What if finds out he's full of carp?
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2015, 03:14:20 PM »


Now what SPC Dumbass should have done was wait until about a month after he had ETS'd and then post the pics.  Not much the Army could do then.  But like Terry, I'm not signing this so no other troopies get any smart ideas.   :old: :old:



I was thinking the same thing and I can understand the explanation for having him jump.
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2015, 03:42:17 PM »
One more item to add to Private Skippy's list of things we must not do in the Army:

xxx. Not allowed to jump out of airplanes accompanied by pet fish.



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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2015, 06:19:29 PM »
What would be the punishment for having one of these fish crackers?

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2015, 06:32:18 PM »
One more item to add to Private Skippy's list of things we must not do in the Army:

xxx. Not allowed to jump out of airplanes accompanied by pet fish.



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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2015, 08:17:57 PM »
Ditto what has been said by scout, Fitz, and others already.  It is stupidly easy to take rank and pay away from E-4 and below.  Also, a company grade Article 15 is the lowest level this could officially be handled at.  This send a message, "Don't bring unsecured stuff on a jump", without really affecting the Soldier's life or spending a bunch of time punishing him more officially. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2015, 10:20:24 PM »
Going back an re-reading the story, his FIRSTpunishment was the 1000 wor essay.  Which pretty much non-punishment.   He apparently used the essay to not take it seriously/show remorse/apologize for being a dumbass.  Then came the Art15 again, with a slap on the wrist of 12 days of extra duty (which means being the 1SG's cleaning bitch for about 4 hours each day.)  No restriction, no loss of rank, nor of pay.   And I bet is removed from his 201 file 6, 8, 12, months later if he doesn't get in any more trouble (in the military).
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2015, 10:23:00 AM »
Meh... I think the fact he got NJP, wrote an essay and got some extra duty but no bust in rank says they think it was funny/cute too, but had to go through some motions to maintain discipline and order etc.

Ayep. An Article 15 means jack diddly to him because he's getting ETS'd. No loss of pay and no loss of rank? Dude has to do a bit of extra duty, but who cares?
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2015, 10:29:30 AM »
Ditto what has been said by scout, Fitz, and others already.  It is stupidly easy to take rank and pay away from E-4 and below.  Also, a company grade Article 15 is the lowest level this could officially be handled at.  This send a message, "Don't bring unsecured stuff on a jump", without really affecting the Soldier's life or spending a bunch of time punishing him more officially. 

So if the fish and camera had been properly secured...

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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2015, 01:30:01 PM »
So if the fish and camera had been properly secured...

So 50 years from now there will be a TRADOC pub on properly securing POF(Privately owned Fish) during airborne assault operations.
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Re: Paratrooper punished for jumping with pet fish
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2015, 01:31:09 PM »
So if the fish and camera had been properly secured...

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Which clearly shows you know nothing of Airborne operations.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2015, 04:19:43 PM »
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Which clearly shows you know nothing of Airborne operations.

It is entirely possible to properly secure both a fish and camera during a jump. I think there's official kit for the combat photographers, actually. Hell, there's kit for securing a dog during airborne operations. If someone makes a dog harness, it's entirely possible to make a MOLLE Tactical Fish Carrier (MTFC).

Personally, I'd lanyard the camera (obviously) and put the fish in the water bottle inside a MOLLE carrier with a side window, to allow for aquatic tactical awareness.
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