Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down

[gunsmith]

I agree on the domestic violence issues, but the stalker wasn't harassing him for that.  On the whole Martin shooting, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary for a roving neighborhood watch....so I don't really follow your train of thought.

I'm not quite as eloquent as James Allen so I'll give my take on it then quote him .... its like the rioter in B'more - they were thugs/criminals before the guy was killed the opportunity for looting and mayhem revealed their character - no doubt some of their neighbors were feeling persecuted and that the gov/police are simply offing blacks but the thought of attacking innocent people and looting stores never entered their minds  - its not their character ....

A rapist or pedophile might have suffered some childhood injury but others suffer worse and never imagine hurting anyone, what makes the one sufferer an evil being and the other a decent one? What they focus on,  the rapist serial killer or common looter is not spending their days thinking about rescuing puppies and feeding starving children or meditating on how to bring the spirit of forgiveness and truth into their heart - I would guess they're thinking about revenge/looting/controlling people for evil.

Here is James Allen himself to say it better

A man does not come to the almshouse or the jail by the tyranny of fate or circumstance, but by the pathway of grovelling thoughts and base desires. Nor does a pure-minded man fall suddenly into crime by stress of any mere external force; the criminal thought had long been secretly fostered in the heart, and the hour of opportunity revealed its gathered power. Circumstance does not make the man; it reveals him to himself No such conditions can exist as descending into vice and its attendant sufferings apart from vicious inclinations, or ascending into virtue and its pure happiness without the continued cultivation of virtuous aspirations; and man, therefore, as the lord and master of thought, is the maker of himself the shaper and author of environment. Even at birth the soul comes to its own and through every step of its earthly pilgrimage it attracts those combinations of conditions which reveal itself, which are the reflections of its own purity and, impurity, its strength and weakness.

all James Allen is free and now in the public domain, you can get free audio books and free books online he is a genius and your life can only improve by reading his work  
http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/

[gunsmith]

so what I'm trying to say is Zimmerman is not meditating on peace/tranquility/harmony and love .
He is not seeking a loving relationship or a wife - he maybe thinks he is but he is seeking anger and resentment and fights - he is attracted to woman to fight with as much as the woman who choose him are only attracted to domestic abusers ...

How many times do we non DV men see attractive woman going for the same type of guy that ends up punching them in the eye?
time after time after time

We are what we think just like we are what we eat ....

but James Allen says it better than I do

[dogmush]

That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.

There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.

[Ron]

He's just escaping prosecution due to his white Hispanic privilege.

[KD5NRH]

"Correlation does not equate to causation."

But margarine and divorce:


99.26% correlation.  Much higher than Zimmerman and DV.

[MechAg94]

That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.

There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.

I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?

Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury.  If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints.  Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.

[dogmush]

I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?

Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury.  If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints.  Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.

IIRC, a relitive (cousin maybe?) came forward after the shooting and claimed some kind of violence/assault from years prior.

Even the second piece of your statement is iffy.  He didn't appear to have any anger issues at all until the mediea purposfully destroyed him.  Then his marriage collapsed.  Then the wife started making things up about him to get a better deal in the divorce.  Mayhaps he has anger issues around lying, backstabbing, folks who abandon their vows.

I don't know the guy, perhaps as well he's a powder keg.  But the folks saying he has a history of this, that and the other continuously fail to provide any corraborated evidence of such.  Because there isn't any.  Which is why our resident Lawyer/troll has to rely on pounding the table.

[De Selby]

I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?

Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury.  If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints.  Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

[brimic]

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

How does he have a CCW or own a firearm if he's a domestic abuser?
My bet would be he was in a psychologically abusive and occasionally physically abusive marriage where he was on the receiving end of the abuse most of the time- it happens more often than you think.

[MechAg94]

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

Do you have any links for that?  He wasn't a prohibited to possess firearms so the issues never went beyond a certain point.  I am not sure if that points to just Zimmerman or also the character of people around him. 

As we mentioned before, he wasn't and isn't an angel and none of this changes the fact that the Martin shooting was just plain self defense with no caveats or exceptions.

[makattak]

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

Ahhh... and now the facts come out.

How do we know the guy was a stalker, and not just another of the numerous people who's been involved in a 911 call with George Zimmerman?

Numerous people who have been involved with a 911 call = all the times Mr. Zimmerman made the calls to police about problems in his neighborhood. One with a known crime problem.

The obvious lesson here is, "If you see something, say something keep your mouth shut. Ain't none of your business."

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

I don't follow.  How does Zimmerman calling the cops show that Zimmerman is a trouble maker?  Was he calling the cops on himself?

[Jamisjockey]

Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting.  His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.

Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!

Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.

I so love the where there's smoke there's fire prosecution. 

[gunsmith]

That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.

There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.

Oh, I see what you mean - I think he is a fine guy, not to smart but decent enough - I probably wouldn't hang out with him but I wouldn't hesitate to offer to help him out if he needed his car battery jumped ( for instance )
I do not know if he is a DV type either, he does tend toward finding woman that accuse him of it - I've made the same mistake - I once had a girlfriend throw a cup of coffee at me while on the phone to 911 - she explained to the nice 911 operator that I "was a jerk" 
The nice police came and hauled her away for me 
I'm not as dumb as Zimmerman but I've made similar mistakes and am slowly learning the lesson

[gunsmith]

I don't follow.  How does Zimmerman calling the cops show that Zimmerman is a trouble maker?  Was he calling the cops on himself?

no snitching yo!

Actually HTG, that is a good point - he is the neighborhood watch guy, we want him to call the police- because when he gets involved dumb thugs get shot

[MechAg94]

I guess my main impression from the current case is that the Apperson guy was one of the "judging" type people and was out to harass and punish Zimmerman.  I could be wrong, but reading the articles and seeing his picture, that is my impression.  We'll see if more information is revealed.

As for judging Zimmerman, I think that many otherwise decent Americans wouldn't look so good if given the media 3rd degree on their personal life.  I do wonder if I ever actually have to use my gun in self defense, would that mean I now have a track record of violent behavior also?

[SteveS]

How does he have a CCW or own a firearm if he's a domestic abuser?

The prohibition on people with DV convictions is not a lifetime ban in most states. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) states the following:

A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.

In many states, your civil rights are restored once you are released from jail and/or your probation is up. Once this is done, the DV preclusion no longer applies, unless your state also prohibits you from owning, transporting, and carrying firearms.

[Scout26]

IIRC, the purpose of a Neighborhood Watch is TO CALL THE POLICE, when you see something that isn't quite right.  Given that the watch was organized due to the increasing amount of crime in his community, it would only make sense that those involved with the program would be calling 911.

 


And as to the DV.  A)  The wife accusing the husband of DV during a divorce is practically de rigueur and simply a negotiating ploy.  Often times, it is the wife that has been abusive to the husband.   B)  IIRC, In this country, one is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  Not sure if it's the same down in Oz, or if merely being tried in the court of public opinion is sufficient.

As it stands, I'm not aware of any case of anything being proven in a court of law against Mr. Zimmerman.  So while he may not be the wisest person*, he is still an American citizen with all the rights and privileges one is entitled to as such.  

Also, unless I'm missing something, Mr. Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime during this recent event, despite Mr. Apperson's claims to the contrary.


* Although it would appear that has moved out of state, and was merely present in that town to visit his mother on Mother's Day.

[brimic]

The prohibition on people with DV convictions is not a lifetime ban in most states. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) states the following:

A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.

In many states, your civil rights are restored once you are released from jail and/or your probation is up. Once this is done, the DV preclusion no longer applies, unless your state also prohibits you from owning, transporting, and carrying firearms.

I had a friend who had his rights restored for something else entirely- it was a very long process. My point is that the red herrings about 911 domestic disturbance calls being thrown around by a certain individual probably have little or no merit whatsoever, unless they were over a long period of time (years) and he went through the process of getting his rights restored- dubious scenario altogether...

[SteveS]

I had a friend who had his rights restored for something else entirely- it was a very long process. My point is that the red herrings about 911 domestic disturbance calls being thrown around by a certain individual probably have little or no merit whatsoever, unless they were over a long period of time (years) and he went through the process of getting his rights restored- dubious scenario altogether...

Agreed. It depends on the state. In Michigan, you get most of them back when you get out of jail and off of probation. The only lingering barrier is that you can't apply for a CPL, and therefore don't have a complete restoration, until 8 years have lapsed.

[AJ Dual]

I so love the where there's smoke there's fire prosecution. 

Well... wherever there's Leftism, there's often genocide.

We should do something about that, before it gets out of hand.

[Angel Eyes]

AP is reporting that the fella who allegedly shot at Zimmerman has a history of mental illness:

http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A Florida man charged with shooting at George Zimmerman last week had "a fixation" on the former neighborhood watch leader and had recently been admitted to a mental institution, according to a police report made public Tuesday.

The Lake Mary Police Department report said that 36-year-old Matthew Apperson had shown signs of paranoia, anxiety and bipolar disorder.

I'm . . . shocked?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Whoops.  Never mind, AJ's got it.

[brimic]

AP is reporting that the fella who allegedly shot at Zimmerman has a history of mental illness:

http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html

I'm . . . shocked?

It still has to be Zimmerman's fault somehow.... His racist shooting event triggered the attacker's mental condition?
Maybe the guy was a 911 operator and heard too many domestic calls from the Zimmerman household???
Inquiring minds want to know...

[Perd Hapley]

It still has to be Zimmerman's fault somehow.... His racist shooting event triggered the attacker's mental condition?
Maybe the guy was a 911 operator and heard too many domestic calls from the Zimmerman household???
Inquiring minds want to know...

For years, he told everyone about Zimmerman's troubled past, and pedophile tendencies; and no one listened. That was when he snapped...