Author Topic: New Rules for LEOs Getting Military Gear (Read 3464 times)

Ben · « **on:** May 18, 2015, 10:47:48 AM »

I was all set to say "Hurray Obama admin - you did something good!". Then I read the story and saw he made a practically Republican move with the whole, "Here's what we're doing (and here are all the exceptions)."

No tracked vehicles, but up-armored wheeled vehicles are still okie-dokie. No firearms or ammo .50cal or larger, but M-4s by the boatload are still good to go. No camo uniforms. Wow.

I guess on the bright side, it's a start at least.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/18/obama-announces-restrictions-on-distribution-military-style-equipment-to-police/

MechAg94 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2015, 10:50:52 AM »

I want to see it changed to "only" tracked vehicles. No way they will keep up with the maintenance.

Ben · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2015, 10:53:37 AM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on May 18, 2015, 10:50:52 AM

I want to see it changed to "only" tracked vehicles. No way they will keep up with the maintenance.

Good point. You can see that a lot with the helos. A lot of these local agencies have no idea what it costs to maintain a 212 until they get one "for free!".

brimic · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2015, 12:04:03 PM »

Meh. I have no problems with them getting ~~free~~ cheap M4s. I just wish I could get them too.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2015, 12:32:51 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on May 18, 2015, 10:50:52 AM

I want to see it changed to "only" tracked vehicles. No way they will keep up with the maintenance.

Ha, the maintenance on the MRAP's won't be easy or cheap either.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2015, 03:35:46 PM »

Quote from: brimic on May 18, 2015, 12:04:03 PM

Meh. I have no problems with them getting ~~free~~ cheap M4s. I just wish I could get them too.

We should have CMP 50 cal machine guns IMO.

Personally, I don't see an issue with selling grenade launchers. They could still restrict the explosive shells.

Battle Monkey of Zardoz · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2015, 04:26:07 PM »

Not even a start to addressing the issues.

Scout26 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2015, 05:50:06 PM »

I would pay money to watch a bunch of cops break track on a 113 or Bradley.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2015, 05:52:20 PM »

Quote from: scout26 on May 18, 2015, 05:50:06 PM

I would pay money to watch a bunch of cops break track on a 113 or Bradley.

Hell, I'd pay to watch them try to use bayonets without stabbing each other.

dogmush · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2015, 06:01:44 PM »

Quote from: scout26 on May 18, 2015, 05:50:06 PM

I would pay money to watch a bunch of cops break track on a 113 or Bradley.

Oh hell yeah.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2015, 06:44:03 PM »

They probably have a service contract with an equipment company . It have a couple guys who are former tankers

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brimic · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2015, 07:14:52 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 18, 2015, 06:44:03 PM

They probably have a service contract with an equipment company . It have a couple guys who are former tankers

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yep. They could hire someone like Boomhaur to fix their broken tracks.

dogmush · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2015, 07:41:44 PM »

Quote from: brimic on May 18, 2015, 07:14:52 PM

yep. They could hire someone like Boomhaur to fix their broken tracks.

I think I'd rather break track myself then have the Icon of Anger come fix my stuff.

brimic · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:13:44 PM »

Quote from: dogmush on May 18, 2015, 07:41:44 PM

I think I'd rather break track myself then have the Icon of Anger come fix my stuff.

well shoot, I bet he'd be smiling if you paid him enough.

Andiron · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2015, 09:49:19 PM »

Quote from: scout26 on May 18, 2015, 05:50:06 PM

I would pay money to watch a bunch of cops break track on a 113 or Bradley.

County over from us have a 113 that hasn't moved.. er.. ever?

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #15 on:** May 18, 2015, 11:01:37 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on May 18, 2015, 12:32:51 PM

Ha, the maintenance on the MRAP's won't be easy or cheap either.

Pfffft.

The police department in the next town got a "free" Hummer.

It hasn't run in two years ...

Andiron · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2015, 01:31:07 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 18, 2015, 11:01:37 PM

Pfffft.

The police department in the next town got a "free" Hummer.

It hasn't run in two years ...

They probably lost the keys.

Phantom Warrior · « **Reply #17 on:** May 19, 2015, 02:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Andiron on May 19, 2015, 01:31:07 PM

They probably lost the keys.

They don't have keys? Assuming we are talking an issue HMMWV, which we should be.

Scout26 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 19, 2015, 02:44:23 PM »

Quote from: Andiron on May 19, 2015, 01:31:07 PM

They probably lost the keys.

Pb · « **Reply #19 on:** May 19, 2015, 02:59:50 PM »

Good thing our small town already got their APC!

Scout26 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:06:26 PM »

So to sum up Obama's action, other then "No tracked vehicles", it's really no change, and you'll now have by your camo either on line or at a surplus store like everyone else...

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 19, 2015, 03:08:42 PM »

Quote from: Andiron on May 19, 2015, 01:31:07 PM

They probably lost the keys.
Quote from: Phantom Warrior on May 19, 2015, 02:41:53 PM

They don't have keys? Assuming we are talking an issue HMMWV, which we should be.

I was going to say that but I think there was a touch of sarcasm in his post.

Phantom Warrior · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2015, 07:08:22 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on May 19, 2015, 03:08:42 PM

I was going to say that but I think there was a touch of sarcasm in his post.

Ooops. I knew it surprised me the first time I started mine up.

In other news, like I said when this first became an issue, the issue is not the equipment. It is the training, mindset, and permissive legal climate. They can still get most (if not all) of this same equipment from the vendor. The only difference is instead of getting a free USGI surplus M4 they are paying LEO pricing for a new one from FN. Or what have you.

Frankly, as taxpayers we should probably be demanding that cops use surplus gear because it will save money. But if people want to see a change in the way police operate, something besides the source of their equipment will have to change.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2015, 07:40:15 PM »

I like the cops having M4s, at least. They can't be horrible weapons of war that don't belong on our streets, if Officer Friendly keeps one in the trunk.

Ben · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2015, 07:43:27 PM »

Quote from: Phantom Warrior on May 19, 2015, 07:08:22 PM

Frankly, as taxpayers we should probably be demanding that cops use surplus gear because it will save money. But if people want to see a change in the way police operate, something besides the source of their equipment will have to change.

This is very true. I would just like to see both the surplus, and newly purchased gear, be something reasonable for dealing with US citizens, versus the "enemy combatant" mindset when they put their gear wishlists together.

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Author Topic: New Rules for LEOs Getting Military Gear (Read 3464 times)