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Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« on: June 27, 2015, 11:18:18 PM »
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/06/26/sheriff-ramsey-county-deputy-caught-on-camera-abusing-dog/

Sheriff's office K-9 handler trainee flips out and beats his canine partner. Fortunately, it was caught on camera.

Lynching's too good for that deputy. I'll bet he was a real treat if you got him at a traffic stop, too.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 11:30:22 PM »
Yeah,  that pisses me off.

Wonder if the thin blue line will close around this guy.

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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2015, 12:23:21 AM »
I hope the thin blue line will protect the K9 officer rather than that human piece of *expletive deleted*it.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2015, 02:05:17 AM »
From the article:
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Berry was arrested and has been charged with two misdemeanor counts: one for assaulting a public safety dog and one for animal cruelty.

Public safety dog??  Thought K9s were police officers.

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/in-killing-of-police-dogs-cops-usually-get-light-punishment-7008622

Interesting read on this. I guess the K9s are only considered police officers when "non badge wearers" hurt or kill them.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 03:37:16 AM »
Soooo...not only do cops kill men, women, children, and disabled persons along with dogs, cats, puppies, kittens, 30 year-old miniature ponies & baby pot-bellied pigs, but now they're beating up on their canine partners.
For shame.  :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 11:02:54 AM »
Soooo...not only do cops kill men, women, children, and disabled persons along with dogs, cats, puppies, kittens, 30 year-old miniature ponies & baby pot-bellied pigs, but now they're beating up on their canine partners.
For shame.  :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hey, as long as they get to go home at the end of their shift, it's all good.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2015, 12:33:25 PM »
From the article:
Public safety dog??  Thought K9s were police officers.

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/in-killing-of-police-dogs-cops-usually-get-light-punishment-7008622

Interesting read on this. I guess the K9s are only considered police officers when "non badge wearers" hurt or kill them.

Apparently, this is a big issue and officers seem to treat the dogs like equipment rather than living, breathing creatures.
Which is disturbing in three ways. The obvious, beating up on a dog is just *expletive deleted*ed up. The second is that the training requirements and care involved in getting a dog to perform at that level is expensive and takes a long time. You don't just go pick up some pups and spend a couple months with them, viola, Police Dog. It's years of training and, even picking the best options, not every dog that starts the training will finish it. Not every dog can do it.
Third, especially with dogs that are attacked trained, beating an animal can result in the animal defending itself. Even when an dog is justified for biting, it most likely will have to be put down. Bad handling creates dangerous animals. The large, dominate and intelligent dogs used for police work are the most likely to end up dangerous after being mishandled.

So, this ahole in the OP beat up that poor dog, potentially ruining a valuable asset to his department and risked creating a dangerous animal that could potentially harm himself and others.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2015, 12:50:28 PM »
Same officers that do *expletive deleted*it like drive off with rifles on top of their cars, crash squad cars driving 90mph off duty...things like that.  Not surprised.  It's a warrior entitlement mentality.  Moving this to politics.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2015, 01:17:38 PM »
Same officers that do *expletive deleted*it like drive off with rifles on top of their cars, crash squad cars driving 90mph off duty...things like that.  Not surprised.  It's a warrior entitlement mentality.  Moving this to politics.

The upside being you don't have to worry about the squad car going off on it's own and mauling someone afterwards.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2015, 01:46:43 PM »
In a just world, the offending piece of protoplasm would either be criminally charged with destruction of property or charged internally with damaging agency property, not the lesser offense of animal cruelty.

A basic patrol dog is not that basic - they are usually the most highly skilled and highly trained of all the K-9 assignments with capabilities for tracking, attack, perimeter patrol and property protection.  I do not know what the prices are today but about 10 years ago a patrol dog went for between $5K and $7K before you started agency-specific training.  A tracking dog could be had for about $2K and a contraband detection dog for as much as $5K if fully trained.

While many states have legislatively declared dogs to be police officers that is just window dressing to up the sentence of certain miscreants.  Neither the bullet resistant vest nor the badge make a dog a police officer - that is done by swearing an oath and accepting a commission after completing academy training.  Between  a dog's "natural affection" towards its handler and specific training, patrol dogs are specifically trained to take the bullet for their handler -  so that the real cop can go home at the end of their shift.  (That is not said/written sarcastically - it's  a statement of fact.)

The video suggests that the dog had/has some bond with the cop.  I did not see anything that suggested cringing nor did I see anything that even looked like a snarl let alone an active attempt at defense.  That makes the beatings even more troublesome, as the cop seemed to count on the dog not trying to fight back.

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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2015, 02:27:51 PM »
In a just world, the offending piece of protoplasm would either be criminally charged with destruction of property or charged internally with damaging agency property, not the lesser offense of animal cruelty.

A basic patrol dog is not that basic - they are usually the most highly skilled and highly trained of all the K-9 assignments with capabilities for tracking, attack, perimeter patrol and property protection.  I do not know what the prices are today but about 10 years ago a patrol dog went for between $5K and $7K before you started agency-specific training.  A tracking dog could be had for about $2K and a contraband detection dog for as much as $5K if fully trained.

While many states have legislatively declared dogs to be police officers that is just window dressing to up the sentence of certain miscreants.  Neither the bullet resistant vest nor the badge make a dog a police officer - that is done by swearing an oath and accepting a commission after completing academy training.  Between  a dog's "natural affection" towards its handler and specific training, patrol dogs are specifically trained to take the bullet for their handler -  so that the real cop can go home at the end of their shift.  (That is not said/written sarcastically - it's  a statement of fact.)

The video suggests that the dog had/has some bond with the cop.  I did not see anything that suggested cringing nor did I see anything that even looked like a snarl let alone an active attempt at defense.  That makes the beatings even more troublesome, as the cop seemed to count on the dog not trying to fight back.

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The dog cringed. It was clearly not happy to be beaten on. Tail tucked, ears down, collapsing submissively.
My bet is the dog did something wrong (and based on the report, I'm guessing the officer left him for way to long in that hotel room and returned to find an accident. It's the most likely scenario) and the officer was "punishing" the dog because the dog didn't seem like it was sorry.
Macho + idiot can't read canine body language = beatings like this. I've seen it before. The initial repremand results in the dog trying to appease the pack leader by basically sucking up (kisses, wagging tail, low slung posture) and the idiot see's the behavior as happy or oblivious to the repremand and starts in on the dog trying to make the punishment "stick".
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2015, 04:37:47 PM »
BSL -

your eyes are better than mine, especially when it comes to 4-legged animals.  I yield to your better description.

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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2015, 04:47:50 PM »
BSL -

your eyes are better than mine, especially when it comes to 4-legged animals.  I yield to your better description.

stay safe.

It's the second part of the video that makes me see red. The dog is down and clearly distressed but still cowering rather than nailing that SOB. That's a dog that really wants to please and wants to do what is asked of it, but has been beaten down like that before. The dog is scared and doesn't understand.
That bastard doesn't deserve that dog.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2015, 05:02:26 PM »
Sub human piece of *expletive deleted*it, plain and simple.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2015, 05:15:58 PM »
Same officers that do *expletive deleted*it like drive off with rifles on top of their cars, crash squad cars driving 90mph off duty...things like that.  Not surprised.  It's a warrior elitist entitlement mentality.  Moving this to politics.

FTFY.

That mentality has nothing to do with being a warrior, and everything to do with a gangsta, "I'm spayshulur than u R" mentality.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2015, 05:18:10 PM »
I did not see anything that suggested cringing nor did I see anything that even looked like a snarl let alone an active attempt at defense.  That makes the beatings even more troublesome, as the cop seemed to count on the dog not trying to fight back.

I noticed the same thing, and it made me REALLY angry.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2015, 06:46:16 PM »
I won't watch it.  It wouldn't be wise for me to watch it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2015, 08:48:56 PM »
It's about how watching someone shaking a baby would be. I made the mistake of watching it


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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2015, 11:10:48 PM »
His management did the right thing.  LEO is lacking in the self-discipline department and needs a time out.  Doggie, too, though it is not his fault his master was a ****nozzle.

OTOH, we have LEOs abusing humans and casually ruining human lives with such frequency I just can't get worked up over one abusing his own or his department's animal.  Yes, much of America has degenerated to the point where most folk feel more for an abused animal than an abused human.  Probably a majority.  I have yet to join that club.  First became aware of such widespread sentiment in 8th grade.  I thought it incomprehensible than, though I have a better understanding nowadays.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2015, 12:51:41 AM »
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2015, 01:19:22 PM »
Haven't seen the video and won't watch it.  But I want 5 mins with the *expletive deleted*bag.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2015, 01:22:50 PM »
Above someone said this is a frequent problem, with polic dog handlers treating their dogs as equipment rather than partners.

That's surprising to me, given what I know of military working dogs and their handlers, and the bond that bomb dogs in the army form with their handlers. Very strange

I don't doubt it. But i can't imagine NOT forming a deep bond with a dog that helps keep you alive.

*expletive deleted*ed up cop. Hope his career is over
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2015, 01:27:04 PM »
Agreed most handlers form a deep bond with their dogs.  The comment about dogs being considered equipment was directed at the administration.

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2015, 03:34:10 PM »
Above someone said this is a frequent problem, with polic dog handlers treating their dogs as equipment rather than partners.

That's surprising to me, given what I know of military working dogs and their handlers, and the bond that bomb dogs in the army form with their handlers. Very strange

I don't doubt it. But i can't imagine NOT forming a deep bond with a dog that helps keep you alive.

*expletive deleted*ed up cop. Hope his career is over

It's going to depend on the handler and how much they are responsible for the dogs needs outside of work.
I would guess the military handlers (especially in combat zones) are pretty much with their dogs 24/7 when deployed.
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Re: Here's one Blue Star Lizzard won't like
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2015, 04:45:34 PM »
A friend of mine trains schutzhund professionally heard about this video and will not watch it. She says mil handlers are mixed, some good and some bad, but she has never seen a decent police handler, to the point that she quit working with police or any dogs that are training for police a few years ago.
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