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Fireclean is basically Crisco
« on: September 14, 2015, 01:41:55 PM »
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/ir-spectra-fireclean-crisco/

While not actually rebadged Crisco, it appears to be chemically nearly identical.

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2015, 01:52:47 PM »
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2015, 01:55:54 PM »
I read the source article and as a former analytical chemist, some GC/MS results would be more helpful than IR spectroscopy.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2015, 01:56:57 PM »
It would be nice if they'd use the same y axis so the comparison is easier, but yes, that appears to be shockingly similar.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2015, 02:06:22 PM »
I read the source article and as a former analytical chemist, some GC/MS results would be more helpful than IR spectroscopy.

Did you read the linked patent application? I glanced at it but don't have the background to really grok what's going on with it.

https://www.google.com/patents/CA2867869A1?cl=en&dq=CA+2867869+A1&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAGoVChMIyqvwt5XhxgIV0gWSCh2sXg_p

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2015, 02:13:33 PM »
I think I'll test this at some point; obviously, if I add some oil to my alcohol burner so it makes a lot of smoke, that will mean it's keeping the burner and pot on it cleaner, right?

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2015, 02:24:24 PM »
As a reminder, just because some fatass used to shoot people in the face for a living doesn't mean they aren't a shill.

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2015, 03:04:42 PM »
Wow. That extra smoke may also have been a reputation in flames. [ar15]
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2015, 03:09:14 PM »
Wow. That extra smoke may also have been a reputation in flames. [ar15]

If the Ditch B!tch can turn an episode of staggering cowardice into a marketing strong point I doubt the LAV nuthuggers will care that he faked his video.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2015, 03:22:40 PM »
If the Ditch B!tch can turn an episode of staggering cowardice into a marketing strong point I doubt the LAV nuthuggers will care that he faked his video.

Uhh... context and or linky please? (I'd rather not put that term into google to search it.)
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2015, 03:40:06 PM »
Uhh... context and or linky please? (I'd rather not put that term into google to search it.)

James Yeager. He went to Iraq as a contractor, during an ambush he forgot that he had engaged the parking brake on the car he was driving, so he freaked out and hid in a ditch while the rest of his team was getting shot up. Then he wrote an AAR lying and blaming his cowardice on others. Then he founded a training company and started making silly youtube videos full of the worst sort of internet tough guy bravado.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2015, 03:47:03 PM »
James Yeager. He went to Iraq as a contractor, during an ambush he forgot that he had engaged the parking brake on the car he was driving, so he freaked out and hid in a ditch while the rest of his team was getting shot up. Then he wrote an AAR lying and blaming his cowardice on others. Then he founded a training company and started making silly youtube videos full of the worst sort of internet tough guy bravado.

Don't forget gross violations of every safety rule known to man.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2015, 04:32:10 PM »
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2015, 04:46:36 PM »
From what I understand, there may or may not have been tricks with the marketing/reviews by Vickers Tactical?
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2015, 04:49:19 PM »
From what I understand, there may or may not have been tricks with the marketing/reviews by Vickers Tactical?

Yes. First in the junk science of "More smoke means a cleaner weapon" secondly in using a different type of ammo to achieve that questionable metric.

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2015, 05:26:14 PM »
So does this mean I can switch to using canola oil after a trip to the range?
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2015, 06:02:02 PM »
Yes. First in the junk science of "More smoke means a cleaner weapon" secondly in using a different type of ammo to achieve that questionable metric.

CorBon +P, if memory serves, which of course is going to smoke more than any standard velocity round short of handloads with Pyrodex.

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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2015, 06:08:56 PM »
Vickers used to be a good instructor and used to recommend quality products. He's gone off his rocker over the past couple of years though.



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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2015, 06:16:10 PM »
CorBon +P, if memory serves, which of course is going to smoke more than any standard velocity round short of handloads with Pyrodex.

My first thought was a handload with Bullseye.
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2015, 06:20:26 PM »
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2015, 06:29:35 PM »
If the Ditch B!tch can turn an episode of staggering cowardice into a marketing strong point I doubt the LAV nuthuggers will care that he faked his video.

I was referring to Vickers. If he participated in a fraud, his credibility may be irreparably harmed, at least among the serious gun community.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2015, 06:31:14 PM »
Don't forget gross violations of every safety rule known to man.
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/08/22/tactical-response-training-try-not-to-shoot-the-photographer/

Is he the same one that did the hanging upside down out the side of a truck video?
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2015, 06:45:55 PM »
Is he the same one that did the hanging upside down out the side of a truck video?

IIRC That was somebody else.
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Re: Fireclean is basically Crisco
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2015, 07:35:55 PM »
Is he the same one that did the hanging upside down out the side of a truck video?

Depends; was he also redlining the engine while out of gear and looking for a place to hide?