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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2016, 10:28:35 PM »
I have to add, kudos to the FBI for releasing unedited video that quickly. I wish all LE would do that for more incidents.


Well, he WAS a white guy. So they knew that releasing the video might actually make people realize that the guy wasn't a poor innocent victim.

Had he been black, releasing the video absolving themselves of wrongfully shooting would have just intensified the rioting.


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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2016, 10:36:31 PM »
Guess i'm not getting a bunch of free *expletive deleted*it from bed bath and beyond anymore :-(

I know, right? Totally bummed I won't be able to liberate the Roomba society owes me because some guy I've never met made a bonehead move. #benscleanfloormatters
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2016, 11:07:50 PM »
He chose...poorly.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2016, 12:11:18 AM »
funny image

You know, on another forum I basically said the same thing?  "Why are we in such a hurry to relocate them from a cold federal building where they have to feed themselves to a warm one where they get free food?"

And I'm glad the FBI released the video.  I was like 'OH *expletive deleted*it' at 9:17 as he almost plows into one of the officers, even though I knew none of them were killed/hurt.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2016, 10:39:18 AM »
The Bundy supporters on my Facebook are unphased by the video, claiming it's ambiguous, not buying he actually had a handgun on his left side ("who carries a handgun on their weak side?!?"), and claiming the cop that shot the guy did so because he thought he was being sneaky and was "surprised" when the shootee noticed him.

No different than when videos are released of shoots in urban areas, I guess. The true believers won't believe video evidence there either.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2016, 12:40:46 PM »
...How do they know the guy wasn't left handed?
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2016, 12:48:51 PM »
Try reaching for an imaginary gun in your right vest pocket and then try it with your left vest pocket.  I haven't watched the video.  They said a 9mm was in his jacket pocket.  Was it an inside pocket or outside pocket?
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2016, 12:50:34 PM »
The way he was reaching,  I was guessing shoulder holster vs  crossdraw.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2016, 01:16:13 PM »
There is a ton of video of the deceased. He loved the camera. That could show how he carried


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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2016, 01:41:31 PM »
Is LE still promoting the "random traffic stop" poopery? Trying to sell vehicles, officers, and a drone already in place as co-inkydinkle is rather a long stretch.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2016, 03:24:36 PM »
Can any of y'all tell if maybe the cop he was facing plugged him, and he reached for the wound, and then got lit up by the guy in back?  I'm sure an autopsy would shed some light on this.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2016, 01:39:40 AM »
There is a ton of video of the deceased. He loved the camera. That could show how he carried


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Right hand hip, wheelgun. Since he was driving maybe he decided to just stick a gun in his pocket instead. A bit more comfortable and discreet that way (sitting in a car with low hip holster is painful)

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2016, 08:54:59 AM »
This isn't 'hands up don't shoot' shinola....
They were invited to a meeting with the Feds/Sheriff.
Either this shooting was gross incompetence or was an ambush.
Either way, the LEOs made it home safe and it was a mere serf that got greased.
Remember, federals LEOs murdering citizens "under the color if law" isn't an outlyer, its the norm.
They control the narrative, and so many otherwise intelligent people eat that narrative up.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2016, 09:36:26 AM »
This isn't 'hands up don't shoot' shinola....
They were invited to a meeting with the Feds/Sheriff.
Either this shooting was gross incompetence or was an ambush.
Either way, the LEOs made it home safe and it was a mere serf that got greased.
Remember, federals LEOs murdering citizens "under the color if law" isn't an outlyer, its the norm.
They control the narrative, and so many otherwise intelligent people eat that narrative up.

Or you could NOT REACH FOR A *expletive deleted*ing WEAPON WHILE BEING ARRESTED.

This is particularly true after you have taken over a federal building, ran from the police, and hit one of them with your truck.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #114 on: January 30, 2016, 09:41:35 AM »
This isn't 'hands up don't shoot' shinola....
They were invited to a meeting with the Feds/Sheriff.
Either this shooting was gross incompetence or was an ambush.
Either way, the LEOs made it home safe and it was a mere serf that got greased.
Remember, federals LEOs murdering citizens "under the color if law" isn't an outlyer, its the norm.
They control the narrative, and so many otherwise intelligent people eat that narrative up.


Yes it is exactly "Hands Up Don't Shoot" bullshit. Maybe Bundy could try posting a photo of the deceased moron when he was 12 and claim the cop shot an innocent little teenager. After all if you're gonna crib from the (some)BlackLivesMatter(onlywhenshotbyawhiteguy) playbook, might as well take the whole *expletive deleted*ing thing.

A) Idiot fled from the stop. That's *expletive deleted*ing retarded
B) Idiot runs up against a roadblock, veers off into the snow, then jumps out. *expletive deleted*ing retarded squared
C) Idiot reaches for his beltline twice and rightfully gets shot for doing so. If dumbfuck had kept his hands sky *expletive deleted*ing high he would still be alive and breathing.



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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #115 on: January 30, 2016, 09:48:48 AM »
You don't *expletive deleted*ing get it. Somewhere down the road these aholes might be busting down your door for the crime of minding your own business and trying to scratch out a living. They will murder you in cild blood abd millions will say '*expletive deleted*ck yeah, 'murika!'

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2016, 09:56:27 AM »
You don't *expletive deleted*ing get it. Somewhere down the road these aholes might be busting down your door for the crime of minding your own business and trying to scratch out a living. They will murder you in cild blood abd millions will say '*expletive deleted*ck yeah, 'murika!'



Yup.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2016, 10:10:21 AM »
You don't *expletive deleted*ing get it. Somewhere down the road these aholes might be busting down your door for the crime of minding your own business and trying to scratch out a living. They will murder you in cild blood abd millions will say '*expletive deleted*ck yeah, 'murika!'


Plenty of folks get it. Plenty of folks also recognize a turd for a turd, and that this particular turd did everything from the textbook to become a dead turd.

And there wasn't a *expletive deleted*ing thing in this stupid situation that had to do with minding your own business trying to scratch out a living. When you arm yourself and take over a federal building don't cry foul when you get shot. You want a rodeo? Don't *expletive deleted*ing cry when you get your ass thrown off the bull.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2016, 10:17:40 AM »
Plenty of folks get it. Plenty of folks also recognize a turd for a turd, and that this particular turd did everything from the textbook to become a dead turd.

And there wasn't a *expletive deleted*ing thing in this stupid situation that had to do with minding your own business trying to scratch out a living. When you arm yourself and take over a federal building don't cry foul when you get shot. You want a rodeo? Don't *expletive deleted*ing cry when you get your ass thrown off the bull.

So a roadside ambush and a man being shot in the back is an acceptable outcome to you? Nevermind the fact that the lying *expletive deleted*ing scumbag feds lured him out with the promise of a peaceful palaver.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2016, 10:24:13 AM »
So a roadside ambush and a man being shot in the back is an acceptable outcome to you? Nevermind the fact that the lying *expletive deleted*ing scumbag feds lured him out with the promise of a peaceful palaver.
I'm sorry I must have watched a different video. Because the one I saw involved running from police, damn near ramming through a road block almost killing someone in the process, and no one getting shot until they lowered their hand and went for a weapon.

Funny how everyone involved who didn't try and shoot themselves a fed managed to not get *expletive deleted*ing shot.


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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2016, 10:35:13 AM »
So a roadside ambush and a man being shot in the back is an acceptable outcome to you?

Put down the *expletive deleted*ing crack pipe

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Nevermind the fact that the lying *expletive deleted*ing scumbag feds lured him out with the promise of a peaceful palaver.

Well obviously it was low down tactics to get them away from the compound for a peaceful arrest with the intention of no loss of life...How DARE they do that?

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2016, 10:45:46 AM »
I'd love to hear some of your advice to your children on how to handle traffic stops.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2016, 11:20:34 AM »
Even if the traffic stop was bogus, and I still believe it was, I'm not sure how one can refute the bad moves in the video. I didn't see a guy being lured out to talk. I saw a guy who lost vehicle control while evading a blockade, then jumped out of his vehicle, moving quickly and erratically, and moving his hands all over the place.

Even if it was all a total setup, had he stayed in the vehicle like everyone else, or moved slowly and kept his hands up, he'd likely be alive today. He also fell back, not forward. It looked to me as if he was shot as he was turning towards the shooter, while his right hand was down in his coat.

Whether LE was right or wrong here regarding setting up the arrest, think about how you would react if say, you found an intruder in your home and you told him to put his hands up. If he started waving them around, or turned toward you with one hand positioned where a gun might be, what does your defensive training tell you that you should do?

I think there is still a valid argument to be made that LE could have used different means, a different location, or both if they wanted to make a peaceful arrest. Or that they could have waited the protesters out longer. But given this particular time snippet of this particular incident, it's hard for me to refute the argument that the dead guy made several bad decisions before he was shot. Even if LE was totally in the wrong, his self-preservation mechanism should have kicked in, especially if he thought LE was looking for any excuse to shoot.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2016, 11:34:08 AM »
Well this thread went full retard quick
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« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2016, 01:09:34 PM »
Who claims they were meeting the feds?
That does not agree with current narrative. They were headed to meet like minded folks in John day.
Those folks were gonna be at a townhall type meeting the feds were holding there.
The claims that they were lured out by the feds and ambushed are specious

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