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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2016, 11:59:06 AM »
Should we assume, given that this occurred on one of the most isolated roads in the state, that LE had dash cams running and all officers had bodycams running, for their own protection? The footage would go a long way towards clearing things up.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2016, 12:00:07 PM »
Quote from: Ben on January 27, 2016, 11:59:06 AM
Should we assume, given that this occurred on one of the most isolated roads in the state, that LE had dash cams running and all officers had bodycams running, for their own protection? The footage would go a long way towards clearing things up.

one would assume.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2016, 02:07:43 PM »
You know what happens when you assume....
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2016, 02:19:20 PM »
I'd bet my life savings that the Feds have moles planted in that group, and likely agents provocateurs as well. 
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2016, 02:36:20 PM »
Quote from: Hutch on January 27, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
I'd bet my life savings that the Feds have moles planted in that group, and likely agents provocateurs as well. 

X2. I'd there is video, we will most likely never see it. That sheriff there is an idiot.  He was on a fox a while ago getting all choked up and showing severe butthurt signs stressing that " we don't get all armed up and rebel in this country. We work with the system to solve issues".



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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2016, 02:45:56 PM »
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2016, 03:11:22 PM »
Interesting info on why they were going to John Day. Sheriff Palmer is who I mentioned in my post above.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/post_2.html
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #82 on: January 27, 2016, 04:06:29 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on January 27, 2016, 11:31:19 AM
Yep, it appears as if the Fed's have tried to out stupid the knuckleheads.  Again all they had to do was play the long game, arrest them in a ones and two as they left the "compound" to go for runs into town, etc.

Now the call has gone out for re-enforcements to come join the stand-off.  


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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #83 on: January 27, 2016, 08:12:35 PM »
I was thinking about this today, so if the BLM sold their land for $100 an acre, 100,000 acres will got for 10 million dollars. Typical BLM land can support 1 cow per 100+ or so acres. So you'll have to spend $10 millions for land that can only support maybe 1000 head of cattle. I really don't see how you could have a return on investment or a bank that would loan the money.

Currently AUMs are $1.69, so that means grazing rent is about $20 per cow w/calf annually.

Also if BLM and USFS liquidated land, it wouldn't be people like you and me buying it, it would be the Ted Turners of the world and all access would be shut off to everyone.
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« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2016, 09:54:14 PM »
Well, it appears to be over. Bundy told the remaining people to go home. Stated through his attorney. He and the others from the traffic stop are being held without bail.

Were any BLM protesters arrested and held without bail? Looters? Arsonists? Just curious.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2016, 10:09:44 PM »
Quote from: Ben on January 27, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
Well, it appears to be over. Bundy told the remaining people to go home. Stated through his attorney.

I wonder if the Feds will allow them to go home.  I'm guessing "no."

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He and the others from the traffic stop are being held without bail.

Some were arrested separately from the fatal "traffic stop."  Are they also being held without bail?

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Were any BLM protesters arrested and held without bail? Looters? Arsonists? Just curious.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #86 on: January 28, 2016, 02:07:13 AM »
Don't have a link handy but the guy that said the deceased "charged" the cops was supposedly released.  My guess is he was a Hoover undercover.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2016, 02:23:48 AM »
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2016, 09:28:33 AM »
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The person in the cited story appears to be givng an anecdotal account. Given all the stories flying around I'd like to see a story from a direct witness. Better yet, unedited video from the cops' car and body cams.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #89 on: January 28, 2016, 11:04:15 AM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on January 28, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
The person in the cited story appears to be givng an anecdotal account. Given all the stories flying around I'd like to see a story from a direct witness. Better yet, unedited video from the cops' car and body cams.

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I won't believe a thing the Feds have to say on this until they release video.

If it was suicide by cop,  lets see it and put all the rumors to bed for good.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2016, 11:31:55 AM »
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I won't believe a thing the Feds have to say on this until they release video.

If it was suicide by cop,  lets see it and put all the rumors to bed for good.

Yup. I realize it's a little tinfoily, but given the way these arrests were made, I would want to see full disclosure from LE. They still haven't addressed the bogus traffic stop, which we know was bogus, because if they were just pulled over for a traffic violation while driving, then why were there roadblocks in place along their route ahead? LE didn't implement the full roadblocks until after the arrests.

Also I saw a report on Fox News where they found OMG NVGs at the site. Guess we'll have an "NVG loophole" next. I'm still not going back on my previous comments that these guys were knuckleheads, but knuckleheads have rights too. They certainly have at least the same rights as BLM protesters, so should be accorded the same punishments under the law, or BLM protesters should have been accorded the same punishments as these guys (or more, considering BLM was violent and destructive). The White House needs to launch the same investigations into "LE wrongdoing" that they did for BLM protests. Or not.

Regardless, again, all they have to do is release the raw video and this issue will be resolved one way or the other right quick.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2016, 12:19:25 PM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on January 28, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Better yet, unedited video from the cops' car and body cams.

This.  If he really "charged" them, then video of that would settle it all right away.  Sounds to me more like maybe he was in a hurry to get to the meeting and jogged over to see what was going on when they were stopped.
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Re: Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2016, 12:39:50 PM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on January 28, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
The person in the cited story appears to be givng an anecdotal account. Given all the stories flying around I'd like to see a story from a direct witness. Better yet, unedited video from the cops' car and body cams.

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2016, 08:08:55 PM »
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2016, 09:04:39 PM »
For those waiting for the FBI to release the video of the shooting involving the militia members....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

Here's the nearly 27 minute unedited video of the traffic stop involved....  According to the FBI (and you can see it in the video) he twice reached his right hand towards the left side of his jacket (even though he did exit with his hands up).   The second time, he was shot by an Oregon State Police trooper....   They found a loaded 9mm handgun inside his jacket on the left hand side.

The vehicle was stopped for about 4 minutes before taking off again, trying to go around a roadblock (and nearly striking an FBI agent)....  The relevant portion starts at about the 8 minute mark....
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2016, 09:19:23 PM »
Well, watching that video loses them some sympathy from me. Taking off from the stop, then trying a high speed evasion of the roadblock, then him getting out of the vehicle the way he did, and making the moves he did, not smart. Not smart at all.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2016, 09:29:35 PM »
I have to say, I completely understand the frustration over how BLM Land is managed, etc....  But this was not the way to get it addressed....    Just like the Occupy idiots, the message gets lost.
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2016, 09:47:13 PM »
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For those waiting for the FBI to release the video of the shooting involving the militia members....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

Here's the nearly 27 minute unedited video of the traffic stop involved....  According to the FBI (and you can see it in the video) he twice reached his right hand towards the left side of his jacket (even though he did exit with his hands up).   The second time, he was shot by an Oregon State Police trooper....   They found a loaded 9mm handgun inside his jacket on the left hand side.

The vehicle was stopped for about 4 minutes before taking off again, trying to go around a roadblock (and nearly striking an FBI agent)....  The relevant portion starts at about the 8 minute mark....

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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2016, 10:16:17 PM »
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Re: Protesters Take Over National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2016, 10:24:04 PM »
I have to add, kudos to the FBI for releasing unedited video that quickly. I wish all LE would do that for more incidents.
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