Licensing the Undocumented

[lupinus]

There is a huge practical benefit to this which is allowing for illegals to get insurance on the roads.  It's all well and good to talk principles but reducing the rate of un-insured accidents is a concrete benefit that outweighs whatever complaints about normalising illegal immigrants there might be.

You didn't take your meds this morning, did you?

[RevDisk]

You didn't take your meds this morning, did you?

That's overly harsh. Statistically, some will indeed get insurance. We can disagree on the number of people that will theoretically get insurance, but guaranteed at least a few will.

[Hawkmoon]

A few bank robbers probably go to church on Sundays, too.

[RoadKingLarry]

My late father-in-law was one of those guys that didn't bother with insurance.
When asked about it he'd say "What are they gonna do, take my driver's license? I ain't got one of those either. I'm dirt poor so suing me would be a waste of time, *expletive deleted*ck 'em".
No insurance and/or no license should equal forfeiture of vehicle. Prove you had valid insurance and license at the time or tough *expletive deleted*it, you don't get it back, ever.

[230RN]

I'm confused.  Don't we recognize driver's licenses from Mexico anyhow?  (I know I've seen license plates from Mexico on the streets.)

If that's the case, why would Mexicans need US licenses anyhow?

Unless the underlying motivation for it all is simply to legitimize unlawful residents of this country.

 

Terry

[Hawkmoon]

I'm confused.  Don't we recognize driver's licenses from Mexico anyhow?  (I know I've seen license plates from Mexico on the streets.)

For visitors. I think all states require that people who move there get their license within ___ days after becoming a resident. (I can't remember if it's 30 days or 60 days in my state.)

[230RN]

So State-licensing them is a tacit recognition that they are not merely visitors?

Hmmmmm.

[wmenorr67]

I'm confused.  Don't we recognize driver's licenses from Mexico anyhow?  (I know I've seen license plates from Mexico on the streets.)

If that's the case, why would Mexicans need US licenses anyhow?

Unless the underlying motivation for it all is simply to legitimize unlawful residents of this country.

 

Terry

For visitors. I think all states require that people who move there get their license within ___ days after becoming a resident. (I can't remember if it's 30 days or 60 days in my state.)

Thing is how can you become a resident if you're not legal.  Double edged sword and Terry hit the nail squarely on the head.

[Fly320s]

Prove you had valid insurance and license at the time or tough *expletive deleted*it, you don't get it back, ever.

Why?  What is the reason of forcing a person to have auto insurance? 

Does that same reason apply to forcing a person to have boat, house, medical, umbrella insurance?

[RevDisk]

Why?  What is the reason of forcing a person to have auto insurance? 

Does that same reason apply to forcing a person to have boat, house, medical, umbrella insurance?

Not at all, no person is forced to get auto insurance. You don't need insurance to own a vehicle. You don't need insurance to drive it on private property. You merely need insurance if you're driving on public roads. You're not required to drive on public roads.

As I recall, you're not required to have house insurance by the government. Ditto boats on private property. Medical is the only mandatory insurance, errr, tax. 

[brimic]

Why?  What is the reason of forcing a person to have auto insurance? 

Does that same reason apply to forcing a person to have boat, house, medical, umbrella insurance?

Driving is a privilege, not a right. If a person wants to to use the roads, they need to make adult choices. I agree that they shouldn't have to buy insurance though- if they have the financial ability to post a bond of significant enough value to cover any injuries/damage they might cause on the road. The whole 'I'm too poor to have insurance' idea doesn't sit well with me. If a person causes damages due to an accident that they are negligent in and don't have insurance, it should be treated as criminal property damage or criminal assault.

[brimic]

As I recall, you're not required to have house insurance by the government. Ditto boats on private property. Medical is the only mandatory insurance, errr, tax. 

Property insurance is only required per agreement with the lender financing it.

[RoadKingLarry]

Why?  What is the reason of forcing a person to have auto insurance? 

Does that same reason apply to forcing a person to have boat, house, medical, umbrella insurance?

I should have clarified that it is only a requirement when driving on public roads.

[Ben]

I'd be fine with not requiring insurance on public roads as long as we brought back debtor's prisons, or else the uninsured motorist who hit me had to become my butler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkpf_BN03A

[Tim L]

Yes, because lack of Driver's Licenses, THAT was what was keeping them from insuring their $500 mid '90's cars.  Now, I'm sure they are all rushing to Allstate and Progressive.

Just another way for California to remove another "clunker" from the streets.

[Fitz]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. If a person wants to to use the roads, they need to make adult choices. I agree that they shouldn't have to buy insurance though- if they have the financial ability to post a bond of significant enough value to cover any injuries/damage they might cause on the road. The whole 'I'm too poor to have insurance' idea doesn't sit well with me. If a person causes damages due to an accident that they are negligent in and don't have insurance, it should be treated as criminal property damage or criminal assault.

I thought that's how it worked.  I think I know people who have enough "liquid assets" that they can get a statement to the effect of that and not carry traditional auto insurance.

[tokugawa]

 Do they actually have to pass a driving test, or do they get handed the license like a candy?

 My suspicion is this whole deal have nothing to do with automobiles, and everything to do with "motor voter" registration.

[230RN]

I thought that's how it worked.  I think I know people who have enough "liquid assets" that they can get a statement to the effect of that and not carry traditional auto insurance.

Yes.  It's called "Self-Insured."

My suspicion is this whole deal have nothing to do with automobiles, and everything to do with "motor voter" registration.

That's the way I look at it, too.  Back door voter enfranchisement.

[wmenorr67]

How is jury selection done in California, voter registration or drivers license/state id?

Oklahoma is from drivers license/state id.

 

[MillCreek]

I'd be fine with not requiring insurance on public roads as long as we brought back debtor's prisons, or else the uninsured motorist who hit me had to become my butler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkpf_BN03A

Would you want a surly uninsured person butling for you?

[Ben]

Would you want a surly uninsured person butling for you?

As long as I have the controller to his shock collar. 

[Andiron]

As long as I have the controller to his shock collar. 

And knows how to make eggs Woodhouse. 

[brimic]

 

 My suspicion is this whole deal have nothing to do with automobiles, and everything to do with "motor voter" registration.

That elephant in the room. You just pointed it out.

[Hawkmoon]

I'd be fine with not requiring insurance on public roads as long as we brought back debtor's prisons,

If an unlicensed, uninsured motorist hits me, totals my car, and puts me out of work for a month while I recuperate ... how does it help me in any way to put him in a debtors' prison? That won't replace my car or pay my bills.

[Ben]

If an unlicensed, uninsured motorist hits me, totals my car, and puts me out of work for a month while I recuperate ... how does it help me in any way to put him in a debtors' prison? That won't replace my car or pay my bills.

Well, I reckon I was being facetious. :)