Master Troll: George Zimmerman

[lee n. field]

To what?  Were I in hte bitty pocket 9mm market, I am thinking SIG P938 would br my choice.

XDS 9mm.  

[lee n. field]

My PF9 was unreliable at first.  I finally sent it back to Keltec.  It is now 100% reliable, but the trigger really sucks and the gun is so light it makes 9mm recoil seem harsh.  I don't like shooting it.  I would try the Ruger version or some other design over the Keltec if I was buying a small 9mm again. 

There are probably better venues to sell that pistol than gunbroker. 

Mine would have a light strike failure-to-fire every hundred rounds or so. Any ammo, factory or handloads.  KT replaced a bunch of stuff, which resolved the light strike problem.  But, recoil seemed much harsher.  It wasn't terribly fun to shoot. 

[HeroHog]

My Kel-Tec P11 was rock solid with one exception and that was a broken ejector, which was mailed right out to me for free and was probably broken due to me smacking an aftermarket mag firmly in the gun and it making contact with it. Other than that, never a hiccup.

[Perd Hapley]

Email from a friend today on the topic:
 "I hear it gives the user -3 Luck, -3 Speech, and -1 Dexterity but a huge boost to your damage modifier."

-3 speech? Zimmerman talked to the cops. A lot. A lot lot. And it worked.

[Northwoods]

The man's an idiot who should've taken the advice to move out of FL to somewhere he could be anonymous and just keep a low profile until people forgot about him.  But, as mentioned, he's an idiot, and is only doing what comes naturally to idiots.

He was justified in TM shooting.  I'm glad that justice prevailed.  I just wish he'd hide under a rock for a decade.

[Perd Hapley]

The man's an idiot who should've taken the advice to move out of FL to somewhere he could be anonymous and just keep a low profile until people forgot about him.  But, as mentioned, he's an idiot, and is only doing what comes naturally to idiots.

He was justified in TM shooting.  I'm glad that justice prevailed.  I just wish he'd hide under a rock for a decade.

Whereas everyone on APS says the above every time His White Hispanicalness is mentioned, I move that it be the mandated boilerplate language that begins every new thread concerning George Zimmerman, so we can get it out of the way.

[cordex]

I'm sure that is a legitimate bid.

[wmenorr67]

Heard on the news today that the second auction was pulled.

[Hawkmoon]

Mas Ayoob has a 20 part blog that is very interesting with respect to the Martin situation.  Mas was in the know about what actually happened.  It is a very informative series.

Do you by any chance have a link to it? I wasn't aware of such behind-the-scenes shenanigans.

[MechAg94]

The man's an idiot who should've taken the advice to move out of FL to somewhere he could be anonymous and just keep a low profile until people forgot about him.  But, as mentioned, he's an idiot, and is only doing what comes naturally to idiots.

He was justified in TM shooting.  I'm glad that justice prevailed.  I just wish he'd hide under a rock for a decade.

We see stories of idiots defending themselves or trying to all the time.  We usually condemn the stupid behavior.  However, I think people get too defensive and feel that if they don't condemn Zimmerman as an idiot then others will think they agree with 100% of what he does.  It isn't true and you shouldn't feel you have to justify yourself by condemning Zimmerman every time his name comes up.  IMO, it is a symptom of the defensiveness that anti-gun arguments push us into. 

[Mannlicher]

yesterday, the local lefty ABC TV station ran a big story on the auction.  They showed Trayvon, of course, as a cuddly little boy, and picked the worst picture of George that they could come up with.
He could probably have sold the pistol, privately, for big bucks, but chose to put it out in the open.  Stupid or gutsy?  Not sure, but he certainly is a lightning rod for opprobriation.

[Hawkmoon]

We see stories of idiots defending themselves or trying to all the time.  We usually condemn the stupid behavior.  However, I think people get too defensive and feel that if they don't condemn Zimmerman as an idiot then others will think they agree with 100% of what he does.  It isn't true and you shouldn't feel you have to justify yourself by condemning Zimmerman every time his name comes up.  IMO, it is a symptom of the defensiveness that anti-gun arguments push us into. 

I certainly don't feel that I have to "justify myself" by condemning Zimmerman whenever his name comes up. On the other hand, I have for many years been one who recognizes the foibles of humanity (sometimes, but not always, including myself). I don't see people "condemning" George Zimmerman out of any reverse knee-jerk desire to distance themselves from him in the eyes of the anti-gun activists. I see people who look at the myriad acts of inexplicable stupidity perpetrated by Zimmerman and who ... comment that Zimmerman seems to specialize in serial acts of inexplicable stupidity.

[Balog]

I certainly don't feel that I have to "justify myself" by condemning Zimmerman whenever his name comes up. On the other hand, I have for many years been one who recognizes the foibles of humanity (sometimes, but not always, including myself). I don't see people "condemning" George Zimmerman out of any reverse knee-jerk desire to distance themselves from him in the eyes of the anti-gun activists. I see people who look at the myriad acts of inexplicable stupidity perpetrated by Zimmerman and who ... comment that Zimmerman seems to specialize in serial acts of inexplicable stupidity.

I see far more knee jerk "But he was innocent!" defenses of Zimmerman from the gun community than I do the opposite. But whether or not he acted legally that night (and he certainly did) has no bearing on whether or not he's a raging ahole (which he is). Like it or not he is or is being made to be a face of the self defense / CCW culture and his beclowning himself only makes us look bad. If Trigglypuff had been shouting down a La Raza open borders meeting I'd be reflexively condemning her for being on my side and making us look like idiots.

[cambeul41]

Mas Ayoob's series starts here: http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/.

[TechMan]

Mas Ayoob's series starts here: http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/.

That is an excellent read!

[Perd Hapley]

That is an excellent read!

It really is. He should expand that into a book, if he hasn't already.

I'd heard people claim that Z was at fault for having a loaded chamber, or for not being beat up enough to use deadly force, but I didn't know that the prosecution had actually brought those things up in court. Amazing.

[brimic]

It really is. He should expand that into a book, if he hasn't already.

I'd heard people claim that Z was at fault for having a loaded chamber, or for not being beat up enough to use deadly force, but I didn't know that the prosecution had actually brought those things up in court. Amazing.

Yes, excellent read- I learned quite a bit that I didn't already know about the Zimmerman case.

For anyone who hasn't read this yet, do yourself a favor and order a copy and read it cover to cover.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Law-Self-Defense-Edition/dp/1943809143/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

[De Selby]

Yet another in a series of lifelong dramas. 

Zimmerman lucked out on two counts: 1st and foremost, he killed the only other witness to the start of the confrontation.

2nd, he wasn't charged with causing death through criminal stupidity, he was charged with depraved heart murder.  There was not a shred of evidence aired to support that charge. 

Criminal stupidity was tossed in at the end of the prosecutions case as an afterthought, a move so bizarre I'm sure our merry magistrate will be along to remark about how astounding it was to him.

The problem with his example isn't ant-gunners; it's the inspiration for would be junior detectives to run around their neighbourhoods playing cops but with real guns.  That's dangerous to everyone.  I don't expect to be answering to people who flash their concealed carry badges or shout "neighbourhood watch!", and I certainly don't want them "protecting" me with firearms.

[230RN]

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The problem with his example isn't ant-gunners; it's the inspiration for would be junior detectives to run around their neighbourhoods playing cops but with real guns.  That's dangerous to everyone.  I don't expect to be answering to people who flash their concealed carry badges or shout "neighbourhood watch!", and I certainly don't want them "protecting" me with firearms.

That's rather stretching things. I think.  To what sociological end, I can't imagine, but to me, a clew to your position is your spelling of "neighbourhood."

Besides, the outcome of GZ's activities was decidedly negative for him with the possibility of a long gaol sentence, so I don't see how that could possibly be an encouragement to others

One of our managers (now retired) used to patrol around the buildings on foot occasionally with an SAA strapped on.  No badge, no uniform, just him in mufti.  This was quite before CCW became legal.  I, myself, took some comfort in that even though I was/am pretty well protected.  

Mayhaps it depends on one's neighbourhood.  Colorado is an open carry state, and we're quite out in the moors with occasional sharp-toothed animals roaming around, so perhaps I'm off base here and it's not cricket where you're from.

Terry

[dogmush]

The problem with his example isn't ant-gunners; it's the inspiration for would be junior detectives to run around their neighbourhoods playing cops but with real guns.  That's dangerous to everyone.  I don't expect to be answering to people who flash their concealed carry badges or shout "neighbourhood watch!", and I certainly don't want them "protecting" me with firearms.

Just to stir the pot a little, I have to point out that had Trayvon walked home, he would not have had to answer to anyone.  GZ never stopped him, or in fact initiated any contact at all.  TRAYVON turned around initiated contact and expected GZ to answer to him.  So even if going to trial, being destroyed in the national media, losing your job, home, and SO somehow encourages someone to emulate his behavior, you still wouldn't be answering to them.

he wasn't charged with causing death through criminal stupidity, he was charged with depraved heart murder. There was not a shred of evidence aired to support that charge.

[raises eyebrows] Well, isn't that a change from your earlier positions.

[Hawkmoon]

In fact, all neighborhood watch programs that are organized through or with the blessing of the local police department have in common that they are observers ONLY. They are instructed to do nothing but observe and report -- they are not deputies or special constables or anything of the sort. They are not supposed to confront and interrogate suspicious characters, they are supposed to call the cops.

Which is what Zimmerman did.

[grampster]

The irony is living in the 21st century when SJWs insert their outrage into, well, everything.   Their outrage seems to want to justify evil, bad behavior, lousy literature, art, music and depraved culture.  It's hard to respect people who seem to find fault with everything except the low end of the Dark Side.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Hell, I am one of the people who remain in the "Zimmerman was a dumbass" and still is (seriously, auctioning the gun he used that night? Because a significant portion of America doesn't hate him enough already? Is he trying to get himself killed?) a dumbass.

However, something that was said many times over on this board (and elsewhere) in regards to this case. It is not criminal to be a dumbass and there is no evidence that supports any theory that his dumbassery could be considered to be criminal. To be blunt, Zimmerman didn't start the confrontation and had every right in the world to walk around that neighborhood, regardless of his intent or purposes.

[Boomhauer]

Just to stir the pot a little, I have to point out that had Trayvon walked home, he would not have had to answer to anyone.  GZ never stopped him, or in fact initiated any contact at all.  TRAYVON turned around initiated contact and expected GZ to answer to him.  So even if going to trial, being destroyed in the national media, losing your job, home, and SO somehow encourages someone to emulate his behavior, you still wouldn't be answering to them.

The good news is De Selby won't have to worry about it at all since he lives in a nation that gave up their guns for "security". The criminals don't have to worry about prey with effective teeth.

[Perd Hapley]

Z's shown a lot of bad judgment since the shooting, but I don't see how anyone faults him for this. Had the Martins, et al, not tried (and mostly succeeded) in ruining his life over a case of self-defense, he wouldn't be able to auction off his gun for many times over its market value. And he probably needs the money. It riles up the White* Lives Don't Matter thugs, but what doesn't?

The guy's been dealt a pretty raw deal in life. Whatever his intelligence level, or other character traits, he was trying to help out his neighbors that night. Good for him. We could any one of us be smarter and more cautious than George, and still get dealt the same hand. God help us if it does.



*Or Hispanic, either, apparently.