Author Topic: WSJ- license plate readers at gun shows (Read 2533 times)

tokugawa · « **on:** October 03, 2016, 01:37:08 PM »

Wondered about this for a long time- I doubt very much it is limited to the southern border, or even to gun shows.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-show-customers-license-plates-come-under-scrutiny-1475451302

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2016, 01:39:25 PM »

Can't read because I'm not a subscriber.

bedlamite · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2016, 01:53:09 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 03, 2016, 01:39:25 PM

Can't read because I'm not a subscriber.

Copy the link and plug it into google, they give you a link you can read.

dogmush · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2016, 01:55:14 PM »

If you google the headline the same link shows up, but without the paywall. weird, but you can read it.

TL;DR version: Ice was using License plate scanners at a Socal Gun Show, and comparing those plates with cars crossing the border headed south to find some of those mythical gun show gun smugglers.

They didn't find any.

I'm meh on the whole thing. If people are smuggling guns from gun shows into Mexico we should stop them. I also don't personally subscribe to the "Everything I do with guns is private so no .gov agent can know" idea that many gun folks do. (not that there's anything wrong with it, I just find it too exhausting)

Tagging my plate as I enter or leave a gun show is pretty dang low on the list of activities by cops that worry me.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2016, 02:12:47 PM »

Sounds like things they would do in the state of Kansas back in the day....

They would over watch a liquor store on the Missouri side and then bust cars with Kansas plates coming back across the state line.

Get them on archaic tax laws against bootlegging and such.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2016, 03:30:10 PM »

Quote from: dogmush on October 03, 2016, 01:55:14 PM

If you google the headline the same link shows up, but without the paywall. weird, but you can read it.

TL;DR version: Ice was using License plate scanners at a Socal Gun Show, and comparing those plates with cars crossing the border headed south to find some of those mythical gun show gun smugglers.

They didn't find any.

I'm meh on the whole thing. If people are smuggling guns from gun shows into Mexico we should stop them. I also don't personally subscribe to the "Everything I do with guns is private so no .gov agent can know" idea that many gun folks do. (not that there's anything wrong with it, I just find it too exhausting)

Tagging my plate as I enter or leave a gun show is pretty dang low on the list of activities by cops that worry me.

I honestly don't care if guns are going down to Mexico as long as they pay the export tax/fee. Small arms aren't exactly secrets.

dogmush · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2016, 03:58:52 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on October 03, 2016, 03:30:10 PM

I honestly don't care if guns are going down to Mexico as long as they pay the export tax/fee. Small arms aren't exactly secrets.

Don't tell the State Department that.

Jim147 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2016, 05:47:59 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 03, 2016, 02:12:47 PM

Sounds like things they would do in the state of Kansas back in the day....

They would over watch a liquor store on the Missouri side and then bust cars with Kansas plates coming back across the state line.

Get them on archaic tax laws against bootlegging and such.

Had to be careful getting off the Boulevard on a Sunday

HankB · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2016, 07:03:10 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 03, 2016, 02:12:47 PM

Sounds like things they would do in the state of Kansas back in the day....

They would over watch a liquor store on the Missouri side and then bust cars with Kansas plates coming back across the state line.

Get them on archaic tax laws against bootlegging and such.

Back in the 1980s, Minnesota cops would stake out Wisconsin fireworks stores, and bust MN residents coming back home with "illegal" WI fireworks. They also refused to leave the WI store's parking lot when asked. This practice was put to a stop (allegedly!) when a group of employees from one of the WI stores all parked their cars around a MN state trooper's car in their parking lot and refused to move - after informing the MN troopers that in WI, they had NO authority. WI troopers were summoned and had a little heart-to-heart with the blocked-in MN troopers, telling them to "Git, and don't come back unless you're in hot pursuit."

Ben · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2016, 08:17:23 PM »

Quote from: HankB on October 03, 2016, 07:03:10 PM

Back in the 1980s, Minnesota cops would stake out Wisconsin fireworks stores, and bust MN residents coming back home with "illegal" WI fireworks. They also refused to leave the WI store's parking lot when asked. This practice was put to a stop (allegedly!) when a group of employees from one of the WI stores all parked their cars around a MN state trooper's car in their parking lot and refused to move - after informing the MN troopers that in WI, they had NO authority. WI troopers were summoned and had a little heart-to-heart with the blocked-in MN troopers, telling them to "Git, and don't come back unless you're in hot pursuit."

That's awesome! They need to do that to the CA DOJ narcs that hang out at the Reno gunshow and the Reno Cabelas.

K Frame · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2016, 05:58:03 AM »

"Ice was using License plate scanners at a Socal Gun Show, and comparing those plates with cars crossing the border headed south to find some of those mythical gun show gun smugglers."

That's because official government cars supporting Gun Walker aren't part of the master license plate database.

K Frame · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2016, 06:00:59 AM »

"Agents then compared that information to cars that crossed the border, hoping to find gun smugglers, according to the documents and interviews with law-enforcement officials with knowledge of the operation."

Because EVERYONE knows that all illegal guns originate from purchases at gunshows.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2016, 07:06:46 AM »

For a few seconds there, I thought this thread would be about social justice warrior license plates.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2016, 07:13:46 AM »

Quote from: HankB on October 03, 2016, 07:03:10 PM

Back in the 1980s, Minnesota cops would stake out Wisconsin fireworks stores, and bust MN residents coming back home with "illegal" WI fireworks. They also refused to leave the WI store's parking lot when asked. This practice was put to a stop (allegedly!) when a group of employees from one of the WI stores all parked their cars around a MN state trooper's car in their parking lot and refused to move - after informing the MN troopers that in WI, they had NO authority. WI troopers were summoned and had a little heart-to-heart with the blocked-in MN troopers, telling them to "Git, and don't come back unless you're in hot pursuit."

Well the deal with them watching liquor stores was they can stay on the Kansas side and watch the stores in Missouri.

Quote from: Jim147 on October 03, 2016, 05:47:59 PM

Had to be careful getting off the Boulevard on a Sunday

State Line also, that is why I always went to Red-X in Riverside.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2016, 08:50:45 AM »

It's profiling, but when you're out in public you don't have privacy rights.

T.O.M. · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2016, 07:31:47 PM »

Hell, I figure I'm on so many lists by now if they ever activate those e UN prison camps, I better run for the hills PDQ. What's one more?

Scout26 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2016, 10:24:21 PM »

The Illinois State Police still do that with the fireworks stands just over the border in Indiana. Which is why I buy my contraband on our way to Indy, figuring that in 2 or 3 days they've deleted my plate #. It seems the only people the hammer for it or the ones that go over, buy fireworks and drive right back.

I love living in the nanny state of Illinois...

KD5NRH · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:19:06 AM »

Quote from: scout26 on October 04, 2016, 10:24:21 PM

The Illinois State Police still do that with the fireworks stands just over the border in Indiana. Which is why I buy my contraband on our way to Indy, figuring that in 2 or 3 days they've deleted my plate #. It seems the only people the hammer for it or the ones that go over, buy fireworks and drive right back.

Ever drive over, buy something innocuous and drive back just to mess with them?

Think of it as raising the noise-to-signal ratio.

K Frame · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:38:32 AM »

There's a in Maryland just across the border from Pennsylvania on 11/15 North.

In the early 1980s Pennsylvania raised its drinking age to 21 before Maryland did, so people would cross the border, buy beer and the like, and head back.

Of course the Pennsylvania State Police would look for that, so they'd nail the kids with the liquor just after they crossed back into PA.

It quickly became a game of cat and mouse, and more than once the trooper pulled over a car with teenagers who had a severe hankering for Maryland Slim Jims while the liquor car picked up the beer and headed for one of the many other roads that crossed back into Pennsylvania.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2016, 05:54:11 PM »

The drive through liquor stores in md are very popular for va residents. The fact you can get a pint a sofa and a glass with ice make it convenient. It's all about there being a market. Liquor store at 14 th and p used to sell 2 oz paper cups of boiling hot water for 50 cents in the 70's so the junkies could bang it without having to cook it

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Perd Hapley · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2016, 07:14:05 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 05, 2016, 05:54:11 PM

The fact you can get a pint a sofa and a glass with ice make it convenient.

'Cuz you're gonna need some place to pass out.

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2016, 03:08:19 PM »

Quote from: Ben on October 03, 2016, 08:17:23 PM

That's awesome! They need to do that to the CA DOJ narcs that hang out at the Reno gunshow and the Reno Cabelas.

Hmm, didn't know they were staking out Cabela's, although it makes sense in a JBT sort of way. I wonder if they're also doing that at the Scheels in Sparks.

Ben · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2016, 03:25:59 PM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 08, 2016, 03:08:19 PM

Hmm, didn't know they were staking out Cabela's, although it makes sense in a JBT sort of way. I wonder if they're also doing that at the Scheels in Sparks.

Don't know if they still are, but I heard about it back when I still had my C&R license. They were obviously staking out the gun show, but on some of the C&R forums, Cabelas was mentioned as well. Could have just been the Internets, but knowing Cal DOJ, I give it some credence.

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