John Podesta knows why Hillary lost ...

[Angel Eyes]

. . . it's the media's fault for being pro-Trump:

http://freedomoutpost.com/clinton-campaign-blames-most-devastating-loss-in-the-history-of-american-politics-on-media-for-being-pro-trump/

"The media always covered her as the person who would be president and therefore tried to eviscerate her before the election, but covered Trump who was someone who was entertaining and sort of gave him a pass," Podesta said. "We need to reflect and analyze that and put our voices forward."

Yes, the same media that have been basically been the PR wing of the DNC, the same media that fed debate questions to Hillary beforehand, they were really helping Trump all along.

I don't know what drugs Podesta is on, but their street value must be six figures.

[just Warren]

Didn't Trump get exactly one newspaper endorsement?

[Angel Eyes]

Didn't Trump get exactly one newspaper endorsement?

You mean other than The Crusader?

[De Selby]

The level of self delusion required to believe this is so breathtaking that I wonder if he genuinely does believe it all, or if he's just cynically trying to turn Trump's anti-media effort against him.

[Perd Hapley]

The level of self delusion required to believe this is so breathtaking that I wonder if he genuinely does believe it all, or if he's just cynically trying to turn Trump's anti-media effort against him.

Once you take the red pill, you ask that about a lot of things.

[De Selby]

Once you take the red pill, you ask that about a lot of things.

I never took the red pill or the blue pill.  I'm in that category of independents who backed Trump.

[roo_ster]

I never took the red pill or the blue pill.  I'm in that category of independents who backed Trump.

I think fistful is referring to a different red pill.

[Perd Hapley]

I think fistful is referring to a different red pill.

Though it is interesting how the colors match up. 

[Hawkmoon]

We all know why Hillary lost. Two reasons:

• She didn't win
• She's Hillary

[TechMan]

Didn't Trump get exactly one newspaper endorsement?

Hell even the Cincinnati Enquirer, which had endorsed the Republican nominee for the last 100 years, endorsed Hillary.

[Perd Hapley]

This guy is starting to get it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/the-democrats-screwed-up.html?ref=opinion

A 64-year-old Southern woman not onboard with marriage equality finds herself characterized as a hateful boob. Never mind that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton weren’t themselves onboard just five short years ago.

Political correctness has morphed into a moral purity that may feel exhilarating but isn’t remotely tactical...

Plenty of Trump voters chose him, reluctantly, to be an agent of disruption, which they craved keenly enough to overlook the rest of him.

Democrats need to understand that, and they need to move past a complacency for which the Clintons bear considerable blame.

It’s hard to overestimate the couple’s stranglehold on the party — its think tanks, its operatives, its donors — for the last two decades. Most top Democrats had vested interests in the Clintons, and energy that went into supporting and defending them didn’t go into fresh ideas and fresh faces, who were shut out....In thrall to the Clintons, Democrats ignored the copious, glaring signs of an electorate hankering for something new and different and instead took a next-in-line approach that stopped working awhile back....After Election Day, one Clinton-weary Democratic insider told me: “I’m obviously not happy and I hate to admit this, but a part of me feels liberated. If she’d won, we’d already be talking about Chelsea’s first campaign...

[Obama's] presidency will end with Democrats in possession of 11 fewer Senate seats (depending on how you count), more than 60 fewer House seats, at least 14 fewer governorships and more than 900 fewer seats in state legislatures than when it began. That’s a staggering toll...

[Democrats are] defending more than twice the number of Senate seats in 2018 that Republicans are, a situation that gives the G.O.P. a shot at a filibuster-proof majority.

Those last two points are also covered by Mark Hemingway. In his recounting, Obama expended all of his capital on health control, which cost his party their majority in the House. Obama went on to alienate those pesky, uneducated white voters in a series of executive orders, and other measures that bypassed Congress. And the Democrats lost control of the Senate, plus the governors' mansions and statehouses across the fruited plain.


http://issuesetc.org/2016/11/09/3141-post-election-analysis-mark-and-mollie-hemingway-11916/
(the relevant portion is in the last half of the interview)

[dm1333]

Rumor has it Republicans are upset that Democrats want to take over the role of "the party of stupid".

After Election Day, one Clinton-weary Democratic insider told me: “I’m obviously not happy and I hate to admit this, but a part of me feels liberated. If she’d won, we’d already be talking about Chelsea’s first campaign. Now we can do what we really need to and start over.”

Gah!

[lee n. field]

http://issuesetc.org/2016/11/09/3141-post-election-analysis-mark-and-mollie-hemingway-11916/
(the relevant portion is in the last half of the interview)

I've been listening to that series for months.

[lee n. field]

   
John Podesta knows why Hillary lost ...

What, the Crowleyite ritual didn't get done right?

[mellestad]

One of my liberal friends claimed that the media went too easy on Trump. I have no idea what world some people live in. Even if you hate Trump I can't imagine thinking the media gave him a pass on anything, or went too hard on Hillary.

I've seen a cycle of conservatives losing their minds about Obama and now I'm seeing the exact same behavior from the liberals.

I guess people are just people, no matter which side.

[MechAg94]

This guy is starting to get it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/the-democrats-screwed-up.html?ref=opinion


Those last two points are also covered by Mark Hemingway. In his recounting, Obama expended all of his capital on health control, which cost his party their majority in the House. Obama went on to alienate those pesky, uneducated white voters in a series of executive orders, and other measures that bypassed Congress. And the Democrats lost control of the Senate, plus the governors' mansions and statehouses across the fruited plain.


http://issuesetc.org/2016/11/09/3141-post-election-analysis-mark-and-mollie-hemingway-11916/
(the relevant portion is in the last half of the interview)

Yeah starting.  He still thinks many if not most Trump supporters are racist and thinks Bloomberg is a saner billionaire.  I doubt he will do much more than start.

[MechAg94]

One of my liberal friends claimed that the media went too easy on Trump. I have no idea what world some people live in. Even if you hate Trump I can't imagine thinking the media gave him a pass on anything, or went too hard on Hillary.

I've seen a cycle of conservatives losing their minds about Obama and now I'm seeing the exact same behavior from the liberals.

I guess people are just people, no matter which side.

Going after Trump is what helped him.  They might have done better to ignore him. 

[Perd Hapley]

I've seen a cycle of conservatives losing their minds about Obama and now I'm seeing the exact same behavior from the liberals.

Oh, we're seeing a whole different level of crazy from "liberals" right now.  Conservatives were saying dumb stuff like, "He's not really black," or maybe stockpiling supplies for a race-war. I don't think it's the exact same behavior.

[Hawkmoon]

I've seen a cycle of conservatives losing their minds about Obama and now I'm seeing the exact same behavior from the liberals.

I didn't see any street riots, or college classes being cancelled so students could be treated by counselors, or bazillions of conservatives emoting on Youtube about how they're "literally" going to kill themselves because Obama won.

Are you certain you live in the same universe as the rest of us?

[mellestad]

I didn't see any street riots, or college classes being cancelled so students could be treated by counselors, or bazillions of conservatives emoting on Youtube about how they're "literally" going to kill themselves because Obama won.

Are you certain you live in the same universe as the rest of us?

College kids protest everything, that isn't unique.

As far as when Obama won, I've seen eight years of Facebook posts about death panels, "get ready to water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots", hang that monkey from a tree, Obama's the biggest racist on the planet, Michelle Obama is nasty/ugly/dumb/likes rap/looks like a monkey, Obama's kids are miscreants, Obama's a Muslim terrorist, Obama's going to take away our (medicare, guns, freedom, military pay, xxx).

Now my Facebook is full of posts on Trump is going to make gay people illegal, and America's going to have food riots, and Hillary won the popular vote so let's post on Tumblr about it, and Trump's a racist, lots of talk about Trump grabbing Lady Liberty by the you know what, this isn't my america, and Hillary lost so I'm going to cry, and America is full of racist hicks, and Trump hates Mexicans, and anyone that voted for Trump is a monster.

So far the liberals haven't gotten as nasty as the conservatives did (less talk of violence)--they're just angry and a bit in denial but I think that's just because there hasn't been enough time to get started. After a few years I'm sure they'll have plenty of nasty memes built up. His wife will be interesting--she's easier to criticize than Michelle Obama, but liberals usually shy away from direct criticism of women so I'm curious how that'll shake out.

It's different in delivery methods though. Obama was eight years ago, and conservatives are older, and not as likely to be in college, so it's factually more likely to see YouTube comments and college classes being cancelled because of protests/riots or whatever. YouTube is only 11 years old, after all.

[TommyGunn]

I don't recall conservatives taking to the streets and rioting when Obama won though.   I also don't believe the MSM  covered  the right wing nuttery as much as they're covering the loony tune lefties now.

[brimic]

College kids protest everything, that isn't unique.

As far as when Obama won, I've seen eight years of Facebook posts about death panels, "get ready to water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots", hang that monkey from a tree, Obama's the biggest racist on the planet, Michelle Obama is nasty/ugly/dumb/likes rap/looks like a monkey, Obama's kids are miscreants, Obama's a Muslim terrorist, Obama's going to take away our (medicare, guns, freedom, military pay, xxx).

Now my Facebook is full of posts on Trump is going to make gay people illegal, and America's going to have food riots, and Hillary won the popular vote so let's post on Tumblr about it, and Trump's a racist, lots of talk about Trump grabbing Lady Liberty by the you know what, this isn't my america, and Hillary lost so I'm going to cry, and America is full of racist hicks, and Trump hates Mexicans, and anyone that voted for Trump is a monster.

So far the liberals haven't gotten as nasty as the conservatives did (less talk of violence)--they're just angry and a bit in denial but I think that's just because there hasn't been enough time to get started. After a few years I'm sure they'll have plenty of nasty memes built up. His wife will be interesting--she's easier to criticize than Michelle Obama, but liberals usually shy away from direct criticism of women so I'm curious how that'll shake out.

It's different in delivery methods though. Obama was eight years ago, and conservatives are older, and not as likely to be in college, so it's factually more likely to see YouTube comments and college classes being cancelled because of protests/riots or whatever. YouTube is only 11 years old, after all.

I was in college when Bill Clinton won the first time- there was nothing.... It was shrugs, maybe a few grins, or 'meh' and have another beer. I do remember a huge push on campus to back Perot though
The batshittery really didn't start until Dubya won.

[mellestad]

I was in college when Bill Clinton won the first time- there was nothing.... It was shrugs, maybe a few grins, or 'meh' and have another beer. I do remember a huge push on campus to back Perot though
The batshittery really didn't start until Dubya won.

Yea, it's the Internet's fault. Isolated communities makes everything more polarized and gives the nutjobs way more of a voice than they used to have. It isn't a specific political or social orientation. Probably will get worse.

Maybe we'll get used to it though, in another generation? My generation is the last one to have a memory of pre-Internet days and we don't know how to raise kids in the Internet era. Maybe the kids of today will learn something and the batch born in the 2020's will have better coping skills.

Who am I kidding, it'll be downhill from here. 

[zxcvbob]

One of my liberal friends claimed that the media went too easy on Trump. I have no idea what world some people live in. Even if you hate Trump I can't imagine thinking the media gave him a pass on anything, or went too hard on Hillary.

I've seen a cycle of conservatives losing their minds about Obama and now I'm seeing the exact same behavior from the liberals.

I guess people are just people, no matter which side.

The media was too easy on Trump during the primaries.  They were trying for a Clinton vs Trump matchup from the very beginning because they thought it would make great television.  After he cinched the nomination they started trying to shoot him down -- and he gave them plenty of ammo.

[MechAg94]

The media was too easy on Trump during the primaries.  They were trying for a Clinton vs Trump matchup from the very beginning because they thought it would make great television.  After he cinched the nomination they started trying to shoot him down -- and he gave them plenty of ammo.

I thought they actually went after him like they would any other Republican.  Only Trump didn't back down and immediately beg for forgiveness as soon as someone said he was a meany.  The media didn't know how to handle that.  Their publicizing what they viewed as bad statements helped Trump.  Between that and Trump realizing what issues were important to Republican voters got him the nomination.