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Re: Slager trial
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2016, 10:44:16 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 05, 2016, 10:31:22 AM
We know that now, but the officer clearly didn't know it at the time of the incident. At some point while he was getting punched and tased he must have been wondering, "All this for a taillight? What's up with this guy?"

I read somewhere that he was flagged as a violent offender or something similar in the DB when stopped. I'll see if I can come up with a source.
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Re: Re: Slager trial
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2016, 11:16:20 AM »
Quote from: scout26 on December 04, 2016, 02:20:44 PM
I've stated up thread, that once Scott broke contact as is unarmed and not a threat to anyone, deadly force IS NO LONGER an option.  That's where Motorola comes in.  Ask the question of any (good) CCW instructor if you can shoot someone, who is unarmed, running away from you, even after going hands-on, mano-a-mano with said person.  Go ahead, I'll wait.


And I've posted this real life example a while back:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=47901.msg975998#msg975998

I think if you talking to police instructors, I doubt they would recommend shooting a fleeing suspect either.  The reason everyone instructs people not to do it is because you are risking prosecution and liability because the obvious justification goes away.  There have been numerous cases of police and non-LEO's shooting people in the back who were not convicted.  Now, that doesn't mean shooting him was right or correct in this case, it just bears more thinking than "he turned to run so it is murder".  

In this case, from what CS&D posted, the officer pulled his gun to shoot when the guy was still right next to him after a physical fight where he got tasered.  I question whether the line between justified and prison is that tight.  
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I feel the need to add that I don't necessarily think the guy is innocent.  I am not sure and I haven't seen all the details.  I just don't think it is or should be as cut and dried as some would have it. 
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Re: Re: Slager trial
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2016, 02:54:56 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 04, 2016, 11:43:37 PM
Found this gem in one of C&SD's links:

If I were on the jury, the prosecution would have lost me right there. Sorry, but "premeditation" is a word, and words have meanings. And the "pre" part of that word means "before, in advance." Officer Slager did NOT wake up that morning and put on his uniform planning to go out on the mean streets and kill someone. There's a "yuuuge" difference between "intentional" and "premeditated."

I hate grandstanding, and I especially hate prosecutorial grandstanding.
The more so since the expert doing the video analysis said they were 27 inches apart when slager started his draw. And one second later was first shot. 17 feet.
They other observations about who held taser are also interesting

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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2016, 03:25:59 PM »
More and more interesting.  Jury's thought mirror some here
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-slager-trial-jury-note-reveals-new-split/

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Re: Slager trial
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2016, 03:41:48 PM »
"Slager has testified he was in fear for his life, but prosecutors told the jury they should focus on the video of Scott fleeing as the shots were fired and convict the former officer."

If I'm the defense I would take a powerful objection to this and tell the jury that they should NOT pay ANY attention to the video as it is a distortion at worst and only a partial video that does not describe the entirety of the situation at best.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with the officers state of mind due to the fact what happened prior to the video is not been captured by video.
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2016, 04:18:02 PM »
Since the judge did not, to the best of my knowledge, mention self defense in his instructions, the fact that the jury's questions indicate it occurred to them I am hopeful. It didn't take them.lomg to drop the big charge.  Hours

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Re: Slager trial
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2016, 04:26:28 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2016, 05:04:47 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 05, 2016, 04:18:02 PM
Since the judge did not, to the best of my knowledge, mention self defense in his instructions, the fact that the jury's questions indicate it occurred to them I am hopeful. It didn't take them.lomg to drop the big charge.  Hours


Where have you seen that the jury dropped consideration of the murder charge?
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Re: Slager trial
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2016, 05:34:00 PM »
He'll be tried again.  This happens sometimes - single holdout juries are a pretty good indicator of what's coming next.
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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2016, 05:36:33 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 05, 2016, 05:04:47 PM
Where have you seen that the jury dropped consideration of the murder charge?
The jury's questions were about elements of a manslaughter charge. Typically they consider greater charge first then if that's dead they consider lesser charges. I don't know what procedure for next trial is. Are they locked into same charges? Or can they amend. Either way he spends xmas home with his kid.

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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2016, 05:36:54 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on December 05, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
He'll be tried again.  This happens sometimes - single holdout juries are a pretty good indicator of what's coming next.
Single holdout?

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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2016, 05:39:32 PM »
I wonder if a shakeup at doj will affect his federal case

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2016, 05:45:39 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 05, 2016, 05:04:47 PM
Where have you seen that the jury dropped consideration of the murder charge?

We deduced it from the questions the jury asked from the judge to clarify the law.
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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2016, 07:12:05 PM »
Quote from: Jocassee on December 05, 2016, 05:45:39 PM
We deduced it from the questions the jury asked from the judge to clarify the law.

To convince the holdout?

Yeah, he's going to jail eventually. 
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2016, 08:27:31 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on December 05, 2016, 07:12:05 PM
To convince the holdout?

Yeah, he's going to jail eventually. 
It all depends on how convinced the others were of guilt and what exactly triggered one person to vote not guilty.  Might be more of them on the next jury. 

Can the jurists comment on the trial after being let go? 
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« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2016, 08:36:41 PM »
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Can the jurists comment on the trial after being let go? 

Jurors.

The judge is the jurist. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jurist
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« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2016, 09:38:38 PM »
Apparently deselby missed the article Monday where the foreman indicated not just one hold out

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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2016, 10:05:07 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 05, 2016, 08:27:31 PM
It all depends on how convinced the others were of guilt and what exactly triggered one person to vote not guilty.  Might be more of them on the next jury. 

Can the jurists comment on the trial after being let go? 

You're dreaming if you think that video is going to produce more holdouts.

What will happen is the prosecution will pare down what confused them.  Have a look at retrial statistics sometime.
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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2016, 10:11:53 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on December 05, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
You're dreaming if you think that video is going to produce more holdouts.

What will happen is the prosecution will pare down what confused them.  Have a look at retrial statistics sometime.

Like your track record of predicting the outcome of contentious shooting trials?
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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2016, 03:58:49 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on December 05, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Like your track record of predicting the outcome of contentious shooting trials?


Actually, yes.
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« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2016, 01:39:49 PM »
Interesting video analysis.  Money is after 6:30 in but it's all worth it
https://youtu.be/GZSb00oSzuY

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Re: Slager trial
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2016, 07:37:40 PM »
Video shows the taser wire still attached to Scott as he starts to run. Nobody even mentioned that, or has an explanation for it. Looks more like Slager tased Scott, but I don't think even Slager has said that.
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Re: Re: Slager trial
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2016, 09:22:45 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 07, 2016, 07:37:40 PM
Video shows the taser wire still attached to Scott as he starts to run. Nobody even mentioned that, or has an explanation for it. Looks more like Slager tased Scott, but I don't think even Slager has said that.
Alternatively,  the wire was still attached to Slager after getting tagged by his own taser and the wires were tangled around Scott.

Not advocating one way or the other,  as I can't tell, but that's another possibility.

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« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2016, 09:26:05 PM »
The kids opinion and tude are interesting too

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