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Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« on: September 23, 2018, 10:06:20 AM »
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 10:15:28 AM »
Sine wave science.

        

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 10:56:48 AM »
New study out.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/22/new-research-confirms-we-got-cholesterol

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 11:12:17 AM »
Hemp hearts?  Never heard of that.  What is that like?
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2018, 01:29:30 PM »
moderation in diet while limiting white flour and sugar seems like a safe plan
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2018, 02:04:09 PM »
Everyone who has eaten Brussels sprouts has died.   So,  Brussels sprouts must be poisonous.

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2018, 09:20:01 PM »
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Hey !  At least I knew what "GP" was !

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 04:58:50 PM »
moderation in diet while limiting white flour and sugar seems like a safe plan

Funny how it works out that grain and sugar are a problem...
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »
https://thewrath.com/sample-page/

Religious Experience.  Got it finally.

Hey !  At least I knew what "GP" was !



Do I want to know what a GP is? I thought it meant "general principles" or "general purposes."
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 08:21:21 PM »
Do I want to know what a GP is? I thought it meant "general principles" or "general purposes."

General Practioner a.k.a. Doctor.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 08:30:29 PM »
^ I think fistful knows; he's just jazzing me for demonstrating a prior lack of skills in search-engine search terms.  I think.

At first I thought "GP" meant Girl Phriend, but that didn't really fit the context.

A couple of decades ago I seem to recall some study that showed that the fatty sausage-eating Germans had a pretty long lifespan, considering their usual diet.

 

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 09:42:04 PM »
The link between meat and atherosclerosis seems pretty hard to dispute, given you can reliably create it in animals by feeding herbivores meat.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 11:04:03 PM »
^ I think fistful knows; he's just jazzing me for demonstrating a prior lack of skills in search-engine search terms.  I think.

Nope. I am planning to remain ignorant of things medical for as long as possible.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 12:47:06 AM »
The link between meat and atherosclerosis seems pretty hard to dispute, given you can reliably create it in animals by feeding herbivores meat.

Soo....regularly feeding meat to creatures that didn't evolve to eat meat makes them sick? You don't say... ;/
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 01:24:27 AM »
Soo....regularly feeding meat to creatures that didn't evolve to eat meat makes them sick? You don't say... ;/

That includes us. We get the same symptoms they do from eating meat.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2018, 09:09:32 AM »
The link between meat and atherosclerosis seems pretty hard to dispute, given you can reliably create it in animals by feeding herbivores meat.

What about feeding meat to ominvores?

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2018, 11:08:06 AM »
What about feeding meat to ominvores?

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2018, 02:36:26 PM »
Hemp hearts?  Never heard of that.  What is that like?

On the tongue rather nut like, with a richness akin to cashews mixed with a greenness reminiscent of how fresh cut grass smells.  More fat & protein than an equivalent weight of cheese.
 
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2018, 03:26:20 PM »
On the tongue rather nut like, with a richness akin to cashews mixed with a greenness reminiscent of how fresh cut grass smells.  More fat & protein than an equivalent weight of cheese.
 

With a description like that, you should be writing for Food & Wine magazine.

Will eating that make a person test positive for THC?  I don't think it does, but gotta ask anyway.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2018, 08:45:01 PM »
With a description like that, you should be writing for Food & Wine magazine.

Will eating that make a person test positive for THC?  I don't think it does, but gotta ask anyway.

Very unlikely, since these are derived from low THC stains and most of the THC produced would be in flowers of the female plant.  Maybe if you ate the whole bag, or several in one sitting.

See also: https://kdvr.com/2014/02/18/can-hemp-seeds-make-you-test-positive-for-marijuana/
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2018, 08:57:36 PM »
The link between meat and atherosclerosis seems pretty hard to dispute, given you can reliably create it in animals by feeding herbivores meat.

Humans are omnivores, not herbivores.  Look at out physiology.  Upper and lower Teeth for tearing, stereoscopic vision (like what predators have to locate prey), stereoscopic hearing (ditto).  We are built to eat meat.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2018, 10:05:52 PM »
Humans are omnivores, not herbivores.  Look at out physiology.  Upper and lower Teeth for tearing, stereoscopic vision (like what predators have to locate prey), stereoscopic hearing (ditto).  We are built to eat meat.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

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Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2018, 10:24:08 PM »
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/


This is hot garbage.  Most of it has nothing to do with whether or not you're a herbivore, omnivore or carnivore, and the ones that do are flat out wrong.

Our intestine has more in common with other omnivores and carnivores than it does with herbivores. We have no structure dedicated to digesting plant matter. Ruminants, like cows, have multiple stomachs to accomplish this task, while non-ruminant herbivores like horses have enlarged cecums. Our cecum is almost non-existent, which is what you'd expect for an omnivore or carnivore.

Our teeth are characteristically those of omnivores. We have both structure for chewing flesh as well as plant material.

The vast majority of animals are able to biosynthesize vitamin C, including most herbivores. Humans are among the very few animals that don't. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you're a herbivore or carnivore.

The rest of it - methods of sweating, drinking water, etc. have absolutely nothing to do with diet.

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Re: Fat and cholesterol aren't that bad.
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2018, 10:46:38 PM »
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/


That sweating thing is wrong regarding humans. Because we are hairless, we are one big sweat gland. Without starting a whole religious versus evolutionary thing, our forward facing eyes, bipedal evolution (to see over those tall African grasses), and being a giant sweat gland made us efficient hunters. We couldn't outrun most game, but we could wear it down, because we are very efficient heat exchangers. I recall an anthropology professor that I had, telling us how he experimented with that as part of his dissertation, chasing down wild goats on Hawaii. Eventually the ungulates just run out of juice.

The fact that we're omnivores made us more adaptable than either herbivores or carnivores.

More on sweating and hunting (from the same website BTW):

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In the long evolutionary history of man, powerful selection factors would have operated on hunter—gatherers who relied on sustained endurance running to hunt middle-sized mobile game.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281456/
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