Over 60% of Non-Citizens Are on Welfare

[Ben]

As per 2014 census data, and this is just the stuff that's actually reported. I would guess the numbers for those further under the radar are higher.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/12/03/shocker-census-numbers-reveal-that-63-percent-of-non-citizens-are-using-a-welfare-program/

[makattak]

how shocking

[makattak]

Good news! Reading the linked article , it seems that after having been here for 10 years, the utilization of Welfare by immigrants goes from 63% to 70%.
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And that's just why the Democrats want them. A dependent class committed to putting the "FREE STUFF" party into power.

[Sindawe]

There is a word for this in biology.  Parasitism. 

[Hawkmoon]

There is a word for this in biology.  Parasitism. 

There's a word for it in psychology, too: Insanity.

[brimic]

Not to discount the 63% figure, but I find it MUCH more disturbing that 35% of American households are on some form of welfare.

I remember hearing radio commercials during Obama's presidency where the dialog was that it was 'cool' and 'totally awesome' to sign up for EBT.

[Ben]

Not to discount the 63% figure, but I find it MUCH more disturbing that 35% of American households are on some form of welfare.

I remember hearing radio commercials during Obama's presidency where the dialog was that it was 'cool' and 'totally awesome' to sign up for EBT.

True. Though I thought I read a while back that over 50% of the US population is getting some kind of money or free stuff. I'm not sure what all was counted as "assistance" in that figure.

[charby]

something to counteract

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

[makattak]

Not to discount the 63% figure, but I find it MUCH more disturbing that 35% of American households are on some form of welfare.

I remember hearing radio commercials during Obama's presidency where the dialog was that it was 'cool' and 'totally awesome' to sign up for EBT.

From the report:

The major welfare programs examined in this report are Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) food program, free or subsidized school lunch and breakfast, food stamps (officially called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP), Medicaid, public housing, and rent subsidies.

It's amazing what you can earn to qualify for some of these.

WIC, for example, if you earn the median income in the nation and have at least 2 children, you can qualify for WIC while your children are small. That median income (~$50K) goes a LOT further in some areas of the country than in others. But it doesn't matter the cost of living in your area, you're qualified, even if you own a home, 2 cars, an RV, etc... None of it matters- you have small children.

(*Note: we have small children so I've seen the literature at Dr.'s offices. I'm not as familiar with the requirements for the others.

[Boomhauer]

From the report:


It's amazing what you can earn to qualify for some of these.

WIC, for example, if you earn the median income in the nation and have at least 2 children, you can qualify for WIC while your children are small. That median income (~$50K) goes a LOT further in some areas of the country than in others. But it doesn't matter the cost of living in your area, you're qualified, even if you own a home, 2 cars, an RV, etc... None of it matters- you have small children.

(*Note: we have small children so I've seen the literature at Dr.'s offices. I'm not as familiar with the requirements for the others.

The goal of many people in my state is to get on welfare and disability so they never have to work again. The typical pattern is to get on Social Security Disability for an issue that cant be proven, then get on other forms as they can

It’s little wonder employers are desperate for employees who will show up reliability and can pass a drug test. Skilled workers? Damned near unicorn status


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[Perd Hapley]

Not to discount the 63% figure, but I find it MUCH more disturbing that 35% of American households are on some form of welfare.

I remember hearing radio commercials during Obama's presidency where the dialog was that it was 'cool' and 'totally awesome' to sign up for EBT.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-julia-ad-and-the-new-hubby-state/2012/05/11/gIQAcRdoIU_story.html?utm_term=.12b6ae740831

[makattak]

something to counteract

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

And, after finally digging through the reports to get hard numbers (because I noticed everything was reported as relative to make it look bigger and more impactful):

Native born "entrepreneurship" numbers: 00.25%
Foreign born "entrepreneurship" numbers 00.5%



You know what else? I'm betting that .5% has a LOT of very clear markers of individuals we want to bring into the country as do the 70% that come here to take welfare.

I'm willing to cast a broad net and get 10X the number of entrepreneurs and take in 5% of the current immigration levels, limiting it to those most likely to become entrepreneurs.

What's funny is that the very people pushing the above argument would balk at that, because it's all about finding an excuse to get cheap labor for the upper classes. (And votes for the Dems)

[charby]

What's funny is that the very people pushing the above argument would balk at that, because it's all about finding an excuse to get cheap labor for the upper classes. (And votes for the Dems)

why we have a horrible immigration program.

[HankB]

something to counteract

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

Wonder how many of those immigrants were/are illegal aliens . . .

[charby]

Wonder how many of those immigrants were/are illegal aliens . . .

I know of several that came here illegally, now own a restaurants.

[charby]

We could just double or 2.5x the quarters needed to be vested in Social Security and Medicare for folks born after 1970, that will be fix some of the problems. So instead of 10 years (40 qtrs.) you'll need 20 years (80qtrs) or 25 years (100 qtrs).

[bedlamite]

We could just double or 2.5x the quarters needed to be vested in Social Security and Medicare for folks born after 1970, that will be fix some of the problems. So instead of 10 years (40 qtrs.) you'll need 20 years (80qtrs) or 25 years (100 qtrs).

So your solution is to increase taxes for a ponzi scheme. Wrong. The solution is to quit subsidizing leeches.

[charby]

So your solution is to increase taxes for a ponzi scheme. Wrong. The solution is to quit subsidizing leeches.

Good luck slaughtering that most sacred cow.

I just have an idea to keep it out of reach for those who don't pay into it.

Subsidizing leeches is probably cheaper than having roving bands starving people committing crimes.

[Scout26]

Good luck slaughtering that most sacred cow.

I just have an idea to keep it out of reach for those who don't pay into it.

Subsidizing leeches is probably cheaper than having roving bands starving people committing crimes.

The mutual aid societies and fraternal organizations did a good job of keeping the leeches off the dole, until the fed.gov decided that those who didn't pay in would still get bennies and took over.

[Ron]

Every culture or society has what’s called the free rider problem.

Our culture/society has taken the insane position of not only subsidizing free riders but importing even more free riders.

[charby]

The mutual aid societies and fraternal organizations did a good job of keeping the leeches off the dole,

I hear people saying that but I have yet to see proof of that in actual historical documents. I do see lots of historical black and white photos of people of all colors and genders living in crappy conditions.

[makattak]

I hear people saying that but I have yet to see proof of that in actual historical documents. I do see lots of historical black and white photos of people of all colors and genders living in crappy conditions.

Most people who were working were also in crappy conditions.

[Ron]

Big agriculture runs the same racket the big banks run.

Personalize the profits and socialize the costs.

The free health care the immigrants receive swamps any social benefits of cheap labor.

Come to think of it, that’s what the permanent unelected government does also.

[charby]

Big agriculture runs the same racket the big banks run.

Personalize the profits and socialize the costs.

The free health care the immigrants receive swamps any social benefits of cheap labor.

Come to think of it, that’s what the permanent unelected government does also.

Someone else is seeing what I see!

[brimic]

The mutual aid societies and fraternal organizations did a good job of keeping the leeches off the dole, until the fed.gov decided that those who didn't pay in would still get bennies and took over.

But big sugar daddy government is much better because it’s non-judgy, and isn’t connected to any icky religion.