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Can't please the Democrats
« on: April 14, 2020, 11:51:01 AM »
They criticize Trump because he didn't do enough soon enough and shut the country down to halt the C-19.

Now they criticize Trump because he wants to tell them to begin to think about opening the country up.

He can't win for losing.  I agree that the president is somewhat limited to tell the states what to do.  But when one state does something that could be harmful to other states, I think he has some authority to call the shots.  Isn't that what Federalism is all about...making it so one state can't take advantage of another?
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2020, 12:41:31 PM »
They criticize Trump because he didn't do enough soon enough and shut the country down to halt the C-19.


You missed the part before that where they were still criticizing Trump in March for shutting down travel from China in January.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/20/nolte-mere-8-days-ago-joe-biden-still-attacking-trumps-travel-bans/
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2020, 01:58:16 PM »
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2020, 02:31:14 PM »
Just give them Czechoslovak, that should appease them 
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2020, 07:23:17 PM »
Just give them Czechoslovak, that should appease them  

 Tragifunny, but :rofl: anyway.

    

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2020, 08:45:09 AM »
Democrats reflexively condemn Trump for everything he says or doesn't say, as well as everything he does or doesn't do.

It's in their nature.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2020, 08:54:12 AM »
Democrats reflexively condemn Trump for everything he says or doesn't say, as well as everything he does or doesn't do.

It's in their nature.

The democrats and friendly media have done that to every Republican President in my memory since Reagan (I don't go back any further).  Some of the biggest mistakes Republicans have made in that time have been trying to make deals with Democrats or trying to appease the media. 
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2020, 12:32:24 PM »
The democrats and friendly media have done that to every Republican President in my memory since Reagan (I don't go back any further).  Some of the biggest mistakes Republicans have made in that time have been trying to make deals with Democrats or trying to appease the media. 

This. It's the one thing I liked about Trump during the primary. There were a number of people running on the Republican ticket that I liked more. He has grown on me on some other issues, but still the thing I like about him the most is that he fights back against the media. I didn't like any of the last Republican presidents or nominees since Reagan, and there were things I didn't like about him. Reagan did occasionally fight back, he did it less directly. None since him have. Republican voters want that, they know the mainstream media has forced Republicans to make bad decisions, lied about them and directly supported Democrats for a long time.

There was even a flash of this during the McCain campaign, for all her faults Palin did fight back against the media and was excoriated for it. McCain was not well supported by the non-beltway type Republican's. He got a lot of populist boost from Palin, but then didn't back her and let the media do what they do. Of course McCain was a product of and collaborator with the media so he was never going to actually stand on any principles, reason I detested that man even before his nomination, but that was an early indicator that someone like Trump could energize that base that was fed up with squishy Republicans. McCain and Romney being exhibit A & B, but both Bush's and a lot of others from local to national just like them.

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Re: Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2020, 01:07:00 PM »
This. It's the one thing I liked about Trump during the primary. There were a number of people running on the Republican ticket that I liked more. He has grown on me on some other issues, but still the thing I like about him the most is that he fights back against the media. I didn't like any of the last Republican presidents or nominees since Reagan, and there were things I didn't like about him. Reagan did occasionally fight back, he did it less directly. None since him have. Republican voters want that, they know the mainstream media has forced Republicans to make bad decisions, lied about them and directly supported Democrats for a long time.

There was even a flash of this during the McCain campaign, for all her faults Palin did fight back against the media and was excoriated for it. McCain was not well supported by the non-beltway type Republican's. He got a lot of populist boost from Palin, but then didn't back her and let the media do what they do. Of course McCain was a product of and collaborator with the media so he was never going to actually stand on any principles, reason I detested that man even before his nomination, but that was an early indicator that someone like Trump could energize that base that was fed up with squishy Republicans. McCain and Romney being exhibit A & B, but both Bush's and a lot of others from local to national just like them.
The same can be said also for Romney. His best chance was after the one debate where he ripped into things. And then tossed the boost away by going back to nice politics. Moot point as we've now seen.

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2020, 01:17:02 PM »
The democrats and friendly media have done that to every Republican President in my memory since Reagan (I don't go back any further).  Some of the biggest mistakes Republicans have made in that time have been trying to make deals with Democrats or trying to appease the media. 

Controlled opposition isn't there to win.  Republicrats are one group playing both sides of this kabuki theater for their own gain and the gain of their masters which is none of you.

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2020, 01:26:31 PM »
Controlled opposition isn't there to win.  Republicrats are one group playing both sides of this kabuki theater for their own gain and the gain of their masters which is none of you.

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2020, 01:32:23 PM »
Tragifunny, but :rofl: anyway.

    

Chamberlain touting the "Peace in our time" agreement signed by Hitler.  And don't give me any bullshit about Godwining the thread.

Sorry for the thread drift

I've done a reassessment of Chamberlain and it turns out he was no fool especially when you learn that the first thing he did after waving that piece of TP around was ordering a massive rearmament of Britain. He knew Germany had a head start in rearming and he knew that both Britain and France needed time to catch up, he was buying time. Hilter kicked off the war when he did largely because he realized this. History though has roasted Chamberlain for it.
My above comment was based on the common historical option.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2020, 02:22:36 PM »
Sorry for the thread drift

I've done a reassessment of Chamberlain and it turns out he was no fool especially when you learn that the first thing he did after waving that piece of TP around was ordering a massive rearmament of Britain. He knew Germany had a head start in rearming and he knew that both Britain and France needed time to catch up, he was buying time. Hilter kicked off the war when he did largely because he realized this. History though has roasted Chamberlain for it.
My above comment was based on the common historical option.
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Re: Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2020, 02:30:02 PM »
The same can be said also for Romney. His best chance was after the one debate where he ripped into things. And then tossed the boost away by going back to nice politics. Moot point as we've now seen.

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That popped in my head as well.  Romney started closing the gap on Obama after that first debate.  I assume some advisor(s) convinced him he would look bad if he kept attacking Obama. 
And it was sad to see the McCain campaign essentially conspire with the media to knock down Palin.  She wasn't best candidate out there, but she was better than McCain. 
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2020, 02:46:36 PM »
The only reason that Swmbo and I actually voted in the presidential election when McCain was the candidate was because of Palin. 
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2020, 03:45:57 PM »
Struggling to resist commenting......

A subject for another thread another day.
BTW: Worded something wrong. "I've done a reassessment" should be  "I've somewhat done a reassessment"
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2020, 06:15:11 PM »
A subject for another thread another day.
BTW: Worded something wrong. "I've done a reassessment" should be  "I've somewhat done a reassessment"
I like some of those historical subjects.  Wasn't any disagreement.  I saw a video not long ago about the French army organization pre-WWII with a number of anecdotes about how they responded to the invasion.  It was pretty interesting.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI29hh5qBug
I think it was this one.

https://youtu.be/1E9Da2ge-aM
This was another.

Maybe I should have put this on the thread drift thread.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2020, 08:10:11 PM »
Maybe I should have put this on the thread drift thread.

That would have kept it on topic. Can't have that. It's better here.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2020, 04:58:16 PM »
^ :rofl:
WHATEVER YOUR DEFINITION OF "INFRINGE " IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2020, 12:42:43 PM »
The democrats and friendly media have done that to every Republican President in my memory since Reagan (I don't go back any further).  Some of the biggest mistakes Republicans have made in that time have been trying to make deals with Democrats or trying to appease the media. 
You mean the traditional GOP strategy of preemptive surrender doesn't work very well?
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2020, 12:45:51 PM »
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2020, 12:47:28 PM »
You mean the traditional GOP strategy of preemptive surrender doesn't work very well?

What's even more infuriating is when they do something that is comparable to the US surrendering to Japan after dropping the bombs.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2020, 05:16:54 PM »
Victor Davis Hanson

https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/05/corona-meltdowns/#top

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For now, the media, Pelosi, and Biden, along with the Left in general, wish to perpetuate a sense of viral Armageddon to make it politically impossible for Trump to initiate a graduated plan of returning America to work. Their hope is for a summer and fall of continued lockdown, a near depression rather than a mere recession, and enough public furor to end Trump in November—while hoping that a sudden post-election end to the lockdown will allow the natural recovery of Trump’s booming economy on their watch in 2021.

Missing in all these calculations is empathy for those who are ill and the losses that such macabre expectations certainly entail. Also absent is a sense of the irony that, by unfairly scapegoating Trump in hours of darkness, they are ensuring that in the upcoming dawn, he will be credited by their same logic with owning what will likely be an impressive U.S. response to suppressing the virus and reviving the economy.

That pretty well sums it up.
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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2020, 11:20:22 PM »
What's even more infuriating is when they do something that is comparable to the US surrendering to Japan after dropping the bombs.

Just doing what the people who bought them want done.

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Re: Can't please the Democrats
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2020, 05:41:19 AM »
HankB

preemptive surrender

too true
WHATEVER YOUR DEFINITION OF "INFRINGE " IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.