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Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« on: January 20, 2023, 10:51:38 AM »
Very interesting three minutes of Tucker Carlson:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1616333740447498240
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2023, 12:50:49 PM »
Saw that and I was like WOW!
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2023, 08:47:36 AM »
I like Nixon. I was in high school - not yet 18 - during the Nixon administration with the Vietnam war still going on, when they announced on the PA that a peace agreement had been signed, the Vietnam war was over, and the draft would soon be ending. I still remember the relief I felt, and whatever else he did, I'll forgive Nixon a lot for that.

As for his resignation in disgrace over Watergate . . .  <tinfoil hat mode> I never was 100% convinced Watergate was the real reason he resigned, it just didn't ring true. I think something else was in play, but I've no idea what. </tinfoil hat mode>  [tinfoil]
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2023, 09:42:58 AM »
Watergate definitely needs to be put into perspective today.  IMO, it is obvious that many in the FedGov were doing a lot worse even then. 

The main thing I never liked as the impression I always get that Vietnam was always laid at the feet of Nixon (by the media) when he didn't start it.  Johnson got us heavily involved then dumped it on the next guy.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2023, 09:58:43 AM »
Watergate definitely needs to be put into perspective today.  IMO, it is obvious that many in the FedGov were doing a lot worse even then. 

The main thing I never liked as the impression I always get that Vietnam was always laid at the feet of Nixon (by the media) when he didn't start it.  Johnson got us heavily involved then dumped it on the next guy.

Yep, Nixon to this day gets nearly all the blame from the MSM for Vietnam despite not becoming president until 1969. Rarely do I ever hear Johnson's name being brought up in regards to Vietnam.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2023, 10:11:50 AM »
Ask most college grads nowadays who did what and I would bet 95+% of them would answer

Nixon: Vietnam, war and race riots, Watergate, and was impeached*
Johnson: Gave us civil rights.

*Yes I know he wasn't impeached, remember, their answer not mine. I don't think most of them even know what impeachment actually means.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2023, 10:33:31 AM »
As a veteran who was in Vietnam is 1968, my view is that Nixon was pond scum, and Johnson was (as we used to say in the military) lower than whale *expletive deleted*it at the bottom of the ocean.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2023, 11:03:55 AM »
Hawkmoon, if you would be willing, I would like to hear your more specific thoughts on Nixon.  I don't know much about him.

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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2023, 11:20:54 AM »
Double posting
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2023, 11:25:28 AM »
Sr 75, Thank you Mr Nixon! Then I joined the Navy voluntarily...
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2023, 11:57:25 AM »
I like Nixon. I was in high school - not yet 18 - during the Nixon administration with the Vietnam war still going on, when they announced on the PA that a peace agreement had been signed, the Vietnam war was over, and the draft would soon be ending. I still remember the relief I felt, and whatever else he did, I'll forgive Nixon a lot for that.

As for his resignation in disgrace over Watergate . . .  <tinfoil hat mode> I never was 100% convinced Watergate was the real reason he resigned, it just didn't ring true. I think something else was in play, but I've no idea what. </tinfoil hat mode>  [tinfoil]
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I agree with you.  I don't know how many times I've said, "But he got us out of Viet Nam" over the years.

I myself was too young for Korea, and as it happened, had a Married Student (2S) draft deferment during VieT Nam, but that whole Viet Nam "domino theory" was pure bullbleep in my mind.  It kind of got me starting to think a little bit like an "Isolationist."

And I also felt Watergate was fishy smelling. I think that was the first I started to realize that the media was its own political machine.

Viet Nam led me to the thought that we are killing off the brightest, most fit, bravest, most capable young men in the male population.  I've often wondered if within those 50,000 +- deaths there wasn't someone who could have cured cancer or (in my later thinking) solved the fusion power problem.

And I'll catch hell for this, but I suspect that "weeding out process," has led to the nancification of our country --and maybe even the whole world.

In later written correspondence, I did have a friend back in New York who would unfailingly replace the X in Nixon with a swastika.  Our friendship trailed off after that.

No, Nixon may have had some faults, but I think he got pretty much of a raw deal from our dog-pack media and that has colored my attitude toward "the press" ever since.

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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2023, 12:55:40 PM »
. . . Viet Nam led me to the thought that we are killing off the brightest, most fit, bravest, most capable young men in the male population.  I've often wondered if within those 50,000 +- deaths there wasn't someone who could have cured cancer or (in my later thinking) solved the fusion power problem.

And I'll catch hell for this, but I suspect that "weeding out process," has led to the nancification of our country --and maybe even the whole world . . .

I've heard something very similar in reference to the loss of English manhood - nearly 900,000 British and Colonial soldiers dead in WWI out of a total population of 45 million.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2023, 01:08:31 PM »
I've heard something very similar in reference to the loss of English manhood - nearly 900,000 British and Colonial soldiers dead in WWI out of a total population of 45 million.

That's 2% of th total population, therefore about 4% of the male population.

Exclamation point.

I've been touting that concept for years.<grin>  Your sources probably picked up that concept from me. </grin>  Seriously, it should be obvious to anyone who's aware of selective breeding concepts.  After all, that's how yappy little Pekinese dogs came about.

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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2023, 01:10:12 PM »
As a veteran who was in Vietnam is 1968, my view is that Nixon was pond scum, and Johnson was (as we used to say in the military) lower than whale *expletive deleted*it at the bottom of the ocean.

So, about like the average politician.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2023, 01:17:23 PM »
Both pond scum and whale *expletive deleted*it feel offended being compared to politicians
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2023, 01:40:07 PM »
I agree with you.  I don't know how many times I've said, "But he got us out of Viet Nam" over the years.

I myself was too young for Korea, and as it happened, had a Married Student (2S) draft deferment during VieT Nam, but that whole Viet Nam "domino theory" was pure bullbleep in my mind.  It kind of got me starting to think a little bit like an "Isolationist."

And I also felt Watergate was fishy smelling. I think that was the first I started to realize that the media was its own political machine.

Viet Nam led me to the thought that we are killing off the brightest, most fit, bravest, most capable young men in the male population.  I've often wondered if within those 50,000 +- deaths there wasn't someone who could have cured cancer or (in my later thinking) solved the fusion power problem.

And I'll catch hell for this, but I suspect that "weeding out process," has led to the nancification of our country --and maybe even the whole world.

In later written correspondence, I did have a friend back in New York who would unfailingly replace the X in Nixon with a swastika.  Our friendship trailed off after that.

No, Nixon may have had some faults, but I think he got pretty much of a raw deal from our dog-pack media and that has colored my attitude toward "the press" ever since.

Terry, 230RN

The Brits have a very long history of sending their young men off to die in foreign places. WW I and then WW II way have been the final nails in the coffin of the country, it just took a couple of generations to manifest. We're seeing the same thing in the US.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2023, 02:44:38 PM »
https://youtu.be/SUC2Xk2YW9M?t=4411
Jordan Peterson talking with Victor Davis Hanson.  I time stamped this to a spot where they talk about the US armed forces getting rid of merit based recruitment and trying to stamp out white male aggression.  A little different from just getting a bunch of men killed; more like self destruction.


Britain was already moving into socialism prior to WWII.  There are probably a number of reasons for it.  Every time I think of something I end up thinking it can't be only that. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2023, 04:01:23 PM »
RoadKingLarry:

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Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men.
Weak men make hard times.

Rinse, wring, repeat...

Like.  Well, not "like," more "Agree"

It's the "wringing" part that really sucks.

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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2023, 05:29:29 PM »
Finally listened to the twitter video above.  Doesn't surprise me.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2023, 06:03:05 PM »
Both pond scum and whale *expletive deleted*it feel offended being compared to politicians

I know. Politicians are like lawyers -- 98 percent of them give the rest a bad name.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2023, 06:56:06 PM »
So the working theory is:

The CIA murders JFK
The Warren Commission absolves the CIA
Nixon knows the CIA murdered JFK
The Watergate gets burglared by five guys, four of whom work for the CIA
The CIA sets Nixon up to take the fall for Watergate
Ford is chosen as Nixon's replacement
Ford was on the Warren Commission that absolved the CIA
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2023, 08:01:42 PM »
Why did the CIA kill JFK, though?
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2023, 09:40:06 AM »
Why did the CIA kill JFK, though?

Because law determined their conduct.
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Re: Nixon, Kennedy, and the CIA
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2023, 11:33:11 AM »
Seriously, I can get behind theories that they did it or caused it. I don't understand the motivation though. Usually you want to see ability/proximity/motive. I can see the ability and proximity but nobody ever explains the motive.
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